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Thread: Stationary PANTHER29 Nov 2019, 13:49 PM Jump back to quoted post29 Nov 2019, 02:45 AMmrgame2 Yes stop buffing and power creep. Come support my range reduction! 60td to 55td 70td to 60td. Just seems so logical.. It not logical imo. Td s have only 1 thing they do and need to do it well. Having more range is a requierement for their job. They are helpless on their own. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER28 Nov 2019, 12:16 PM Jump back to quoted post28 Nov 2019, 08:56 AMPrinceps Tiger call in for okw is because u have the first commander where u get a decent tank and some inf. Like 80% of all other allied commanders have this. U dont have to go for quadro volks. For Ost u have an ok ostwind and ok stug.... so u can go heavy T3 in Tiger. Personaly i dont like KT at all... its to slow and when it hits the field it gets hardcounterd already... by vettet At guns and even vettet at inf. Its nothing like it was in coh1 where it could be the backbone of your army .. in coh2 allied have 1001 at ability to negate the stregth of that tank. The Fuel invest is so heavy and u dont have caches.... so its even harder and u HAVE to get value out of ur Fuel. Of course i talk only about 2vs2 AT. 1. Okw only get 1 cmmdr like that because stock they already are very strong. Axis player just act like the p4 jagdp4 and panther are up and subpar. Allies need such commanders more then okw does. 2. Again people downplaying axis units, i am gettin tired of that. An ok stug.... no mention of the p4. Ost t3 is sollid. People think stug should be at the level of su85 ff and jackson while they face mostly lower levels off armour that allies face. 3. Like it or not the kt is the only nondoc superheavie tank. Alongside the only nondoc elite inf. The kt used to be i win with very little micro needed to get value out of your fuel. The tiger is in many docs and is quite easely available so its an easy dicision to make. In turn forcing allies get td,s and extra at guns early rather then heavies or mediums. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER27 Nov 2019, 16:31 PM Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 12:14 PMPrinceps oookay.. thats why we have the call in meta and no one goes for T4 ost... because its such a good unit. +5range 0,75 acc for 5 more fuel or just nerf the damn jacksons I am more in line with the latter. The tiger callin meta is because its a bigger better p4. Wich does not come much later. This is why alongside the overkill on allied td,s thanks to nondoc kt is why people think the panther is up. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER27 Nov 2019, 02:23 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 01:01 AMthekingsown10 The panther just needs a 0.75 on the move accuracy , its entire purpose is to chase down enemy tanks as its flat out outranged and outgunned by cheaper tank destroyers. If it gets a good flank why shouldn't it be rewarded? It really lacks purpose.. I would take 2 stugs over a panther any day. If it gets 0.75 moving acc one of its other many positive atributes needs a nerf or a cost increase. It in no way a bad unit atm. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER27 Nov 2019, 02:22 AM Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2019, 00:42 AMthedarkarmadillo The KT doesn't need to be sub 300 armour, but there needs to be an answer that isn't raw pen. Deflection damage allows dedicated TDs to deal chip damage (so volume of fire via the proper units) can scare the big cat away without negating anything in the game with an armour value below the KT. both armour and the counters need to be viable. Previously TDs were unable to overcome and thus armour was over performing, not TDs are over performing to overcome that armour. There needs to be middle ground. If that can still be implemented it would be better indeed. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER26 Nov 2019, 20:45 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 19:02 PMachpawel Names don't matter much. What matters is that Jackson is realatively cheap and doesn't require any repair unit. It has a turret, is very fast, and has the range of an ati tank gun. All the above combined makes it lethal and unlikely to absorb fire. The price difference should make panther a better vehicle. Panther has better armour and more health. In reality these advantages are easily outweighted by the range and potency of Jackson's gun, and the crew. So you pay less for Jackson and get the same or even more. Panther to be fully operational needs another unit to follow it and repair. This means that you need another 200-300mp more to make it operational. Add 100+ manpower 40 fuel cost difference plus more tech required and it means USF can field another elite infantry squad plus have some manpower in a bank in the meantime, or get a bit more fuel and have another tank! It is really unbalanced. Panther ai capability is very low plus you need to pay extra 60muni for it. Additionaly it works close range, which makes the vehicle close in putting it in danger of snares and other sources of at fire. IMO it doesn't make sense and doesn't synergise with its intended function. It is there only to somehow "hide" panther's weaknesses and allow pplayers to say it is good. The biggest issue is that when panther is fielded there are plenty of at sources on the field which screen Jacksons. Pazookas, ptrs, snares, satchels, piats, elite bazookas/piats plus at guns, etc. The inferior range will make panther dive in all these at sources and absorb too much damage. Without crew repairs it will be out of action too long to have impact on the game. If it is unlucky and gets a crit it will be dead. It is overpriced imo. If it had more anty inf cabablities and were a premium medium the price would be justified. The vicious circle can be stopped. Make panther a stronger medium tank and it should be enough to make people build tier 4 for ost. The intended tech should be to build 1-2 vehicles from tier 3 and move on to tier 4. If panther could replace p4 everthing would be balanced. Panther should be similar at dealing with infantry to p4 but retain its at capabilities. Then everything would be back in place imo. Maybe some of panther's health could be nerfed. Names do matter a lot. It puts things into perspective. The jackson is a dedicated td. The panther is a hybred mix or medium td and a heavy. The jackson can repair its self. With gteat risk if caught of gaurd. The panther can bounce a lot of incoming fire that isent a deficated td. A jackson cant. When the panther hits the field axis also have at guns on the field. Also they can have a harder hitting shreck. On can cloak the other can snare it. The panther is not overpriced. It has great things from 3 different types of units. If it becomes cheaper its stats need to be nerfed, the other way around if it becomes better its that simple. By making the panther better in ai at say p4 or tiger level it will make both of them redundant. Then those will need buffs or changes to be relevant. The cycle wont end. They cycle will only end when the 300+ armour KT becomes doctrinal and heavies are delayed quite a bit including panther and comet and pershing a bit as well. Then the td,s can be toned down. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER26 Nov 2019, 16:29 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 14:35 PMachpawel I don't know who stated it. I will restate it - Jackson is at least as good as panther and is cheaper. Jackson also has a free crew that repairs better than enineer units because of crit repairs. Panther doesn't have a crew, is more expensive and requires a support unit for repairs (no crits anyway). In my opinion the level of imbalance here is pretty big. Firstly a jackon is not a tank. Its a dedicated tank destroyer, its not capable of doing anything else unlike the panther. Panther is ai capable. Panther is more durable. Panther has blitz to escape or dive, and heavy crush. But it has shorter range. And nothing like hvap. The panther is not overpriced. Its the jackson being a tad to good for its price. But i dont see that changing as long as heavies are meta, and axis do have more acces to those regardless. Its a vicious circle atm. Allies need such td,s vs inevitable heavy or superheavy unlike axis mostly, but those td,s overpreform vs medium and premium mediums. The panther and p4 feel weak because of it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER26 Nov 2019, 13:51 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 12:25 PMVipper 1) Panther is not a main battle tank because it has the gun of TD 2) If 2 mediums can take a Panther they are a better investment since they come earlier and they can kill a more expensive unit at that cost of cheaper unit. What you say is correct. But he stated that a allied tank is cheaper and better. As a single tank. Wich is not the case at all. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER - Poll26 Nov 2019, 10:46 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 03:53 AMmrgame2 I agree p4 can kill Jackson, i myself encounter it when playing usf. But that's my bad micro, still using panther mindset and not using its advantages. As such, i don't think this scenario is strong enough to convince why 55td makes more sense now. Similarly, I seen top games where a double flanking panther fail to kill double su85. Sov can make unit compositions and off map arty to make things harder. Likewise panthers also suffer from pathing more since it needs more active micro. Double Sherman and 75s and Cromwell can kill a confused panther All im saying a slight 5 range nerf seems to make most sense. 60td is flagged out as over performing and lazy hard counters to all If a flank needs to end with the units being flanked get wiped or destroyed 100% of the time. Why dont my conscripts always wipe flanked at gun or mg42? You sure want a game like that? You just want a panther to be extremely good without any downsides just because it expensive. Td are 60 range because they have no ai whatsoever, the have no blits, low armour, in su85,s case no turret. All thing panthers do have. Panther being harder to micro is a lie, it has heavy crush for crying out loud. It just waltzes over almost anything. With mediums you mostly need to mirco around obstacels they cant crush. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER26 Nov 2019, 07:58 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2019, 01:44 AMthedarkarmadillo Its utility vs combat stats. The things that require extra (be it resources or micro) are always cheaper than the equivalent that is better in raw stats. In a flat fight p4s always have the edge against any allied medium due to higher armour and great pen. If you think balance is a wash because worse tanks have more non tank things they can do, imagine how bad it would be if they were worse tanks that couldn't do anything.. And the panther already IS a slightly better comet. It has more range, health and pen. The comet makes up that by more armour and more utility. That's how balance works. What you want is superior axis armour with nothing on the other side to help make up for that by the sounds of it. You nailed it. Spot on. In: COH2 Balance