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Thread: State of the Soviets5 Dec 2019, 21:11 PM Farlion i get an error trying to reply. ill do it like this. I never said cons should do that, and they cant either. one unit less to worry about one shotting grens and pgrens and pios,s etc. But this thread is mostly about the 7th man of cons. like is said the total recource package to get cons at their peak preformance is higher then volks and grens. So how are they not meant to outpreform them both? people say cons get a 20% dps increase behind green cover. how much damage increase do other main lines get after ai upgrades i wonder. i am not the most adept at the numbers but i am curious if it is simaler to the 20% of cons wich is tied to green cover. Penals are strong but not capable wiping full health squads in mere seconds. The are not grens or Pgrens or Falls or Ober or Sections or Rifleman who all have grenades with short timers next to powerfull ai upgrades. If penals wipe a squad with the ages long timer on the satchel it is fault on the recieving player. ost is not soley dependend on the mg42 to be viable. they are just more reliant on their support weapons until armour hits the field. if they where why would they even build grens snipers etc. all factions that have good grenades on their inf are capable at wiping very early on. soviets need doctrines to do the same or wait for t70 etc. okw need docs as well or wait for obers. you missed the part where i said the KT is non doc. that is the biggest reason. vs OKW you can always expect it. the IS2 is in very few doctrines so there is a fairly low chance to excpect it. you dont balance a faction on doctrines of the opposing factions. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: State of the Soviets5 Dec 2019, 19:31 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2019, 16:01 PMFarlion Because my units are mostly 4 man that aren't that difficult to wipe. Good luck nailing 7 man cons. Losing a vet 3 gren is devastating. Losing a vet 3 7-man con isn't a big deal because due to the upgrade they are easily replaced. Because the point of Conscripts is that they are supposed to be high utility units, not DPS machines. That's what Penals are for. But now with the 7 man they do get high dps in cover on top of maintaining all its utility and being very difficult to kill. As for the IS2 and Tiger, the difference is that the Su85 has enough penetration and damage to deal with a Tiger. Axis do not have a tank destroyer that can do likewise. Good luck wiping ost 4 men squads or okw 5 men squads with no nades to do it in mere seconds. Sov tanks such as the t70 and t34 being stronger against inf including 4 vs 6 man sqauds is as intended. sov t70 and t34 are pretty weak to shit in the AT and armour department. They need to excel against something. Cons where supposed to be high on utility. but only a quarter of that utility comes out of the gate. The other quarter after expensive and exclusive side tech. The last half is divided over multyple doctrines. Cons dropped of so hard because their utility did not scale in any meaningfull way or was in doctrines nor did their dps scale well compared to dps buff and upgrades of other main lines. only the faster molly throw speed was a welcome change. Cons where dropping like flies despite being "durable" losing to almost all if not all infantry while draining you mp muni and have a high micro requirement and doctrine dependancy to be cost effective. in the past it was even worse because they had the highest rng based dps there was in the game. While penals are strong esp early on. They dont scale as well as other main inf. Their HH at is also weaker and harder to fully utilize. Sov have no inf to hold ground without 7tm man or doctrinal inf. we all know how good the maxim is at that "cough" 1 Volksquad "Cough" Deathloop "cough" being more expensive as an mg42 "cough" People keep saying that cons are supposed to be cheap and durable utility squads. But the have higher costs overall then grens and volks. This includes models lost/reinforced teching and ability use (muni drain) and micro tax. Why shoudnt they preform good after full tech and 50 muni invested? The su 85 having good enough pen to deal with a tiger? why is that you wonder? Blame OKW and the non doc superheavy KT. stug is sturdier then the su76 the panther is a lot more durable then the su85. ost makes up for that in durability and in the panthers case also mobility. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: State of the Soviets5 Dec 2019, 18:38 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2019, 17:33 PMmrgame2 This post highlights the problem with Sov. They have a solution for everything at any phase of the game. Doctrine plays a part now that their stock units are so good. Tiger does not counter SU85 sorry. 60TD needs to drop some range then we say. IS2 instead counters everything Wehr have, maybe except Elefant... Please stop the axis up sentiment. Axis also have a solution in every fase of the game. If any tank gets the drop on the su85 or flank it its a good as dead. In a 1 on 1 a tiger will beat it period. It wont however beat a properly supported su85 as it shoudnt. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: State of the Soviets5 Dec 2019, 15:52 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2019, 15:07 PMFarlion Disagree on that count. 7 man cons are incredibly potent infantry when parked behind green cover. I'd also point out that Soviet infantry also includes Guards and Shocks that can easily compete with their respective counterparts. The IS-2 comparison isn't quite accurate because the Elefant has direct counters, and only shuts down frontal armored assaults. By contrast, the IS-2 will deal with everything that's on the battlefield, and it's only reliable counter is a Tiger. Soviets have no ai upgrade outside the 7th man or nade non doc. The t70 being strong but coming latest compensates that. Shocks and guards being potent have nothing to do with cons being potent late game, they are doctrinal. While guards and shocks can compete against doc and non doc inf, cons coudnt against almost every inf beat them handsdown without 7th man after ai upgrades hit the field. They where just a expensive snare unit nothing more. Now they can defend and force more input to dislodge them. The tiger also counters everything sov. So why is only the is2 the problem? That said i do feel heavies in general come to early. They need a delay across the board. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: State of the Soviets5 Dec 2019, 14:36 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2019, 14:14 PMAerohank Buff Panther main gun penetration so it's better against the IS-2 without becomming impossible to deal with in team games. Decrease IS-2 vet bonus range to 45 instead of 50. There we go, easy fix. Now axis has a counter to the IS-2. No need to nerf a faction into oblivion because 1 doctrinal unit is too good. Well said. 100% agreed. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER2 Dec 2019, 20:18 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2019, 17:09 PMmrgame2 Too complicated and what is the final objective? How about the other 2 60Td? How should we do the vet bonus? Im afraid we may end up buffing their rof and become another usf Atg if it needs 11 shots at current rof...and still crazy effective against slow Axis armor 55Td just makes most sense, easiest to implement and wont confuse allies players much. 55Td on wheels is deadlier than the number seems. 60Td simply zone out the tanks, literally zone out. Allies can just position the 60Td behind and then just micro their infantry blobs, Is2, Churchill etc. Pretty much zoned out lazily from their 60Td. You are supposed to do that with Pak ATg, but to also do that with Td on wheels... And when you add their faster vet bonus, the accuracy, abilities, no chance. Besides Axis dont even have as good AT airstrikes. We wont need a rof buff if this happens. The other 2 td,s follow a simaler pattern. The vet bonus will take a nerf however slightly. because the base pen goes down the gain from vet goes down as well. Why are you even bringing at airstrike is2 at gu into this? Axis can park paks raketten jagdpzr 4 behind their panther as well and send their inf blob over as well. At strafe from ost is pretty strong allies. Its a tracking ability. No use dyning it and keep spouting axis up. You make it sound like axis have no chance whatsoever, just stop. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER2 Dec 2019, 14:27 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2019, 08:11 AMmrgame2 Oh yes i agree with TD counter panther. Hence their impressive td stats for their price shall stay. Just need a change in max range. It will still be advantageous but less comfortable. Imo this better than trying things like lowering pen or have deflection damages. Like how much to lower pen? How much deflection damage should be?50%? Will we end up as penning will still be same frequency but non pen deals deflection damage, meaning 60td may kill axis tanks even faster? Pio was just example that traversing 5 extra range is much easier with vehicles and 10 extra range is lazily super deadly 20/25% reduction in pen and 50% deflection damage. For vet 0 su85 it would go from 240 230 220 pen to about 196 184 176. 160 damage divided by 2 is 80 damage on deflection. If i did my math right it would taken 11 deflection shot to kill a panther. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER2 Dec 2019, 08:04 AM Jump back to quoted post2 Dec 2019, 06:20 AMmrgame2 Using Shrek blobs + panther is simply too costly to deal with cheaper 60td. Panther should be counters to all tanks why leave out td? As imo 5 range less is still 5 range more. Precisely because they are vehicles, the ranges are not as game losing as say pio squad walking to provide sight. I was reading through historical patch notes, those changes made can now be time to reconsider the 60td specs. As for other comments about church hill armor, yes its all true. Wehr has to spend considerably more to tackle it. In 2v2, if allies team pushed out heavy armour, i am cry. Allies blobs that can walk up and shred mg42. As for panther having samey starting td accuracy, but 60td raced away from it at vet up. Things like AI dps and 10% armor vet are not enough but just a bullet point. I think panther also has large gun scatter, that's why you see it shooting behind tanks often. I know top players seldom post here with low level whiners like me. I hope to see some balance advice too. I mean, we already seen their actions in wc19 regarding missing axis T4/panther. Maybe its good to have more their thoughts So loosing pio,s is game loosing and loosing td,s isent? Wow Panthers should have a counter. It happens to be that td,s are its counter. No units should have no counters. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER1 Dec 2019, 16:18 PM Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2019, 15:32 PMmrgame2 I said Td stats..... Powerful guns that go all the way against call in heavies. What is 260 armor these days? And yes price/popcap is a good advantage to have when their performance exceed their costs clearly What you listed are just convenience throw out, except maybe the 960hp advantage.. We all agree panther AI is near worthless. Sure less shit than 60td none existence AI, but shit is still shit, no ways about it. And heavy infantry crush? How often you see that since it got nerf long time back? I believe cheaper allies vehicles have infantry crush too. How is this a big deal? I mean if panther AI and heavy crush are more effective, then i concede. But they are simply irrelevant in most if not all games. To be cited as an advantage. 55 range is still an advantage. Right now 60 range, besides just sitting alone safely for incoming tanks or you can move in, snipe and move out. 60Td are fast tanks, even the FF is still faster than a ATg. It creates a solution that is lazy. The 960Hp advantage is no advantage when you get near 100% shot from safety range. Up for more visibility from pro players comments! The panther has td accuracy. Slightly better vet 0 pen. It can still go all the way up to callin heavies no problem. The is2 is the only exception. The heavy crush as i mean it can crush pieces of trees/forest other tanks except heavies cant crush. Meaning it can flank dive and esvape much easier. Its not a convienince everything i listed impacts its preformance. Esp vs meds. And allows it to go toe to toe to heavies in a lot of cases. They meds cant pen the 260 armour so easely. The panther also outranges them. The panther is not meant to counter td,s its meant to counter tanks. Prem meds and heavies in particular. The lack of "pro's" responding should tell you enough about reducing the range. Only certain axis up crowd agrees the panther is subpar. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Stationary PANTHER1 Dec 2019, 14:00 PM Jump back to quoted post1 Dec 2019, 08:33 AMmrgame2 55 is still more than 50/45... The +5 range advantage is on top of other sweet td stats. I just cant see losing 5 range makes them halpless.. Its like some saying u dont dive with just panther, you need to cover it with ATg & infantry. Why should allies td sit comfortably at 60 alone? Bump for more pro players comment. We need to test it for sure Sweet td stats such as 920 hp 260 armour actual ai dps medium tank speed and rotation and heavy crush? All things allied td,s dont have. All td,s have over panther is price and range. The only thing that is needed adding deflection damahe to dedicated td,s (wich the panther is not) and lower their pen. In: COH2 Balance