I understand You haven't watched the championships. Allied tanks are cheaper and better. But You don't seem to see that. Panther is simply too expensive for what you get. Its cost should be similar to Jackson's or it should be buffed to make the game even.
Yes genius allied tanks are cheaper because allied tanks are not better. You need 2 minimum to take on a panther if for some reason you lack other at. No matter how you try and spin that its a fact that pound for pound the panther is a better tank hence it costs more.
Panther has better armour, hp, acc, pen then normal tanks. It has simaler rof, damage, moving acc, speed. It has heavy crush unlike allied mediums do. Only its target size and aoe on the main gun is worse.
So again how is it a worse tank then allied tanks? 2x t34,s cost more then a panther so why should they together not out preform a panther?
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Didn't vote because I don't agree with any of the options.
1. The Panther's Vet 0 stationary accuracy is actually pretty good, and in-line with (iirc) every other TD, if you look at the stats.
2. The Panther doesn't get accuracy vet bonuses like other TDs, which again, is fine. The problem is that OTHER TDs DO.
3. The main issue is actually moving accuracy. The panther has the speed to chase, but it has pretty terrible moving accuracy that doesn't get better with vet. This means that the speed it has it somewhat useless, unlike the M36, which has much better moving accuracy.
4. Stop power-creeping TDs, especially 'problem' TDs like the Panther and M36, which are already insanely 'meta', especially in team-games. The moving accuracy penalty is a multiplier for the base accuracy values, so any increases to base accuracy will increase moving accuracy by 50% of that buff, too (unless this buff would disable when moving). A more accurate panther means better ability to chase, which means Allies would need better AT solutions, which means mediums become even more pointless.
TL;DR - Let's keep the Panther the same, or even nerf it. Then let's nerf the M36, the Su85, maybe even the JP4 and FF. When all that's done, we can finally have some good medium tank gameplay. It would be nice to play a 4v4 and see only a few panthers/M36s, rather than both sides fielding a dozen of them, all while the Ostwind, Sherman, Flame-Hetzer, and every other interesting medium gets erased in one 'barrage' from the blob of TDs.
I agree mostly. I only think all 300+ armour needs to be made doctrinaly then. This only concerns the kt. As it was the sole reason for the td buffs a while back. |
I wonder does any other stats affect panther ability to land a hit? This costly tank misses so much more often than i know.
I doesnt miss any more then other mediums and premium mediums and heavies.
It does miss more then dedicated 60 range td,s or stugs. But those always stand still while shooting except the jackson ofcourse. Increasing acccuracy notably. A solution without changing stats would be stop to shoot. As intended.
The panther already has enough going for it as is. No changes needed other then use as intended. |
you forgot the fact is fast as heck plus blitz and panzer tactician
True but i try to leave doctrines out of balancing a unit, thats why i left ptactician out. The blitz i did forget to mention. |
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The panther has td like accuracy and penetration with turret and 3x mg, speed of medium tanks, armour plus hp of heavy tanks, heavy crush.
Its expensive because of these reasons. And just because its expensive and ingnoring the other reasons as to why its so expensive its not allowed to mis?
Cant wait what they nerf in response on the panther. |
I like the T4 idea, reduce reinforcement cost of grens and prgren.
Pgrens already get a discount. So no to them. Getting cheaper reinforcing for grens is just copying other faction gimmicks.
Maybe at vet 3 allow a second weapon uograde. Say if g43 in your doc at vet 3 you can get g43 next to your lmg42 or 2 lmg42,s.
Giving them dps fits them better imo. |
Grens are essentially a worse version of volks. Volks individually have a 4/5 damage profile of grens, but an extra member. Grens would need around .8 RA instead of the .91 RA they have now to reach parity.
How does this make them better at wipes?
Volks are dps wise a worse version of grens, but a more durable version as well.
Stg is better at close mid range. Inc nade does not wipe in 1 sec it does damage over time. Lmg42 is long range the rifle nades does its damage the indtant it hits. Gren being a bit better at long range have a higher chance of killing the last retreating model. Ofcourse at closer range the rest is better |
Most top players have use call in infantry or 5 man upgrade.
The base grens are terrible even with Lmg upgrade. And porkloin is right.
You mostly cannot wipe with grens.
Even the wehr supposed combine arms needs, dont work well today. Mg42 is so bad past the early game, wehr infantry are in a liability spot unless you choose 5 man call ins.
The riflegrenades disagrees with you. Their better then most long range dps does as well as grens are the best when it comes to picking of models/the last model on retreat.
Cons survive more just as rifles volks sections but they dont retreat wipe as grens with small arms at longer ranges. Volks are a close second at long range. |
Imo no major changes to super heavy but a fuel cost increase. Make fuel points more tactical battle.
Only changes imo, 60td to 55td. 70td to 60td
Jp4 remain 60td if its other stats remain since rak is 55td.
At least 60AT guns are like AT guns, able to keep tanks on their toes.
At least axis t3t4 can do something more without getting zone out by hard counters
60 range td stay 60 range. The kt goes to doctrines maybe buff it if needed, no more need to balance vs 300+ armour for stock td,s. Pen of 60 range td,s goes down. P4 and p5 doctrinal heavies such as the tiger also get some breathingroom and are less hard countered. At the same time delay super heavy tanks substationaly. Heavies and panthers could be a bit delayed as well imo. |
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Grens have a very powerfull t0 mg to back them up and keep rifles etc at range. Or supressed. They already have free healing in the halftrack.
Even 7 men cons can get one shotted, its because of clumping.
Pgrenz have been buffed to come a lot earlier then before.
So no. Grens are not the strongest inf indeed but they are not meant to act alone like rifles etc.
Are you mrgame2 or achapel? The poor grens statement makes me believe you are 1 of the 2
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