Basically this. From wehr 2v2 random perspective. I feel im paying 10% more, microing 10% harder, for units 5% better on paper, but not so in heat of battle.
% are illustrative based on experience and not actual derives.
Their 4 man infantry, the t4 and elefant and brumbar issues brought up here, the poor vet bonus, etc. I think it all ties into the general outlook of current Wehr faction
Lol ost having a higher micro tax. Ost and sov unit esp inf and support weapons have simaler % in vet bonusses. But ost has weak vet bonusses.
Ost mg,s and main line are actualy cheaper except for the vickers, but their tanks are more expensive as a balance.
But yeah axis forever up, balance may never be achieved. Flood the forums with allies op and axis up. |
What a pathetic excuse. "Non meta?" Translation: Underpowered. Every faction has non-meta/underpowered units. Well actually some factions have a bit more underpowered units than others. When almost an entire building is not worth getting in 1v1, there's a problem.
Ost is the faction of "exceptions," it has an exceptionally weak early game and an exceptionally expensive T4. Hence something that's exceptionally expensive should perform exceptionally, not 10% better than a T3 counterpart. Alright, I'm exaggerating with the "exceptions." But Ost T4 is still hands down the most expensive T4. Bottom line, T4 is supposed to be an INTEGRAL part of 1v1 play. Ost is SUPPOSED to have a very strong late game due to weakest early game but when T4 is only marginally better than T3 given the significant extra costs, Ost doesn't have a late game for 1v1.
What is pathetic is you thinking and claiming non meta and up is the same thing. Because of thinking like this we got overbuffed falls. There was nothing wrong with them but they required more micro then okw players where wanting to put in.
Ost early game is not so weak. If it was so weak they would not make it past 10 minutes in every game now would they? It also got buffed just as the mid game.
Ost can skip tiers now unlike before, you can make your t4 slightly cheaper if you wish. With all those changes ost is not supposed to have the "biggest"edge late game anymore.
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I'm coming from a team game perspective. As soviet team weapons have a 6 man squad, it's almost impossible to wipe them effectively with nades. Again because they have 6 man squads,it takes a lot longer to force a relocate with mortars which is further hindered by the quick pack up/set up time compared to axis hmgs. I simply don't see how this is fair when u compare Soviet team weapons with allied ones.
A lot of ppl are saying go for light vehicles. Soviet t70 is the best light tank, even the su76 is very formidable if used correctly. This Soviet weapon team spam issue def needs to be looked at.
I mainly play 3v3 or 4v4w
The ost mortar has a better barrage and smoke barrage for that reason. They work wonders vs setup teams.
The maxims packup time and setup time have been changed its nowhere near as mobile as before.
The maxims supression and aoe suppression are weaker then most mg,s esp the axis mg,s.
Soviet units with few exceptions are only good when doubled up or even spammed imo. Esp in big game modes. Because flanking in those maps is next to impossible they spamm them. |
Yes you can, it’s called having a well designed army where every unit has a role and use.
If it was that easy all factions would have that already woudnt they?
All faction have non meta units. All rts have non meta units. Ost is not and should not be the exveption. |
You’re grasping at straws that aren’t even there.
As for the Ostwind, it got buffed for a reason, as it was absolutely useless. Now it’s very much a meta unit that can handle infantry and push away light vehicles, while also providing quality AA.
I intended use was more to stop or be stationary when firing. People wanted a t70ich ai tank and they got it. That is why it got buffed. The result is it overshadowing a unit a tier later. And now that needs a buff to be meta. You cant have every stock unit be meta. |
Bruh, if you're spamming MGs it means your MGs outnumber your pios so some of your MGs don't have a spotter. If you use a pio to spot for multiple MGs, it means your MGs are in close proximity to each other meaning, you're using a lot of MP to guard a small area of the map putting you at a large resource disadvantage will the opponent will use that to crush you with tank spam. UKF nade tech is only TEN fuel. Dirt cheap. And who trys to "frontally" nade MGs? It's called flanking. Even if you don't entirely get out of the arc, the 42 has such a poor traversal speed, it doesn't matter sometimes.
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So you expect a lone nearly or completly unsupported mg42 to pretty much deal with spread out inf all the time? Its a support unit, you know that right? I should not be alone.
Doesnt matter if the ukf nade is dirt cheap. It does not change the fact that most dont get it an thus almost never gets used. Thus mg42 getting nades less esp frontaly.
Volks can nade frontaly very often. A gren long range rifle nade gets shot before suppression sets in vs a maxim. Both axis have more chance and ability to do so.
The slow tranverse speed is there to balance against its quick suppressen and big aoe suppression. This allows you to use spread out squads against it. Its also lessen the impact of the ap ability.
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"Suppress large group of inf?" More like see your gunner getting repeatedly gunned down by the blob especially since you'll lack spotters for your mgs since you've invested most of your MP into MGs. And using incendiary rounds vs LV is fairly tricky to pull off outside a building. Won't be one shotted by nades? In what way are the MG42 crew more resistant to nades compared to other crews?
Where are your pio,s with bonus vision? You start with them. None of the allies have that. This gives you ample time to supress.
Sov have no real nades without doctrines. Usf and ukf dont tech them mostly. Because that no single allied inf can approach a mg42 frontaly and nade it, means it wont get one shooted with nades very often. And mg42 has teleport on retreat greatly increasing its chances to escape unlike maxims.
Try again.
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Maybe u should try to execute the MG42 spam as Ost and report back. You'll get screwed over by the poor setup and pack up times as well as poor traversal speed.
And you wont be frontaly forced of by a sinlge squad. You will suppres large groups of inf. You can fight light vehicles without at or snares. You wont get deathlooped. You wont be one shotted on occasion by nades despite being only poor 4 men squads.
Please stop only seeing negatives.
People also need to stop making fake accounts to spamm allied op bs. |
are we gonna nerf both ostwind and centaur ? cause they have same ai
Can the ukf always non doc field a combination of centuar and avril?
No, so that they have same ai is irrelevant. |
I think that Brumbär should have some major advantage in AI capability over the ostwind when you take into the account that they are in different tiers. Currently they both have the same shock AI role and same weakness to AT and TD. One could argue that ostwind is even stronger option now due to AA, not being as micro intensive and it is able to flank stuff due its rotating turret.
Arguing that brummbär shouldn't be able to outrange AT with ability because pzwerfers exist is like saying Zis guns shouldn't have barrage. "If you need indirect fire then mortar is your choice."
I am confused, you want it to outrange at guns and td,s? |
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