Well that's entertaining and not surprising at all. Now to find Jaigen's.
Good luck!
My opinion is this you eat a RN or in fact nade then its your own damn fault and you deserve a squad wipe. if it doesn then the rng god is very generous. |
i guess losing your tanks to the b4 is your fault as well trololol
oh dont worry i sacrifice a goat every week to the rng god to prevent that. but yeah i do not attack volks with tanks because thats a bad idea. attacking volks with tanks is about on the same level as sticking your hand into a fire to see if fire is hot.
So you would like Mr. Someguy's idea, yes? (Perhaps cheaper schrecks for sturmpioneers and volks get CQC package with faust)
Lol you wish to make the okw OP? by all means suggest it but i dont find the current situation to particularly imbalanced.
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They also have least amount of upgrades and muni sinks therefore all early muni can go into shrecks and infantry doesn't cost fuel, so none of it matters.
volk shrecks are the ammo sink and the only way to make them useful. and less fuel means your handicapped . every single unit within the okw needs to be flat out better then the other factions this stuff is balanced and i see no reason to change it.
also losing your tanks to shrek blobs is a mistake on your part |
So indeed, its not a problem, because all factions have them.
Its a problem, because OKW gives NOTHING in return for it and pays the LEAST to get it as they don't need to upgrade anything to get best AI infantry weapon and squad in game.
thats why they have a 66% fuel income and 80% ammo income and i value panzerfausts and at nades far more then shreks. |
Problem:
OKW can have both AI and AT infanty.
Thats not a problem as all factions have them. |
Woa guys, you just want to change the game here when a simple solution of balancing ammo cost is probably sufficient at a first try.
There is no need to give new weapons to OKW, thats just going to break even more the game balance.
JohnnyB asks why we should fear a Volks blob of shreck more than pzgren?
Because pzgren cost lot more to reinforce
Because pzgren have less vet capabilities
Because pzgren come later and usually don't pickup their shreck already vet1 or 2.
Because nobody cares about a pure volks shreck blob, not more than a pure pzgren shreck blob. People actually do care about a volks shreck blob mixed with a (at your choice) Obers/falls/pzfusillers.
But all of that could be fine, if Obers/falls/pzfusillers have a cost added to their powerful weapons, as any other specialized unit.
How much fucking mp are we talking here? mate. each volks cost about the same as the baseline infantry of other factions. obers and fsj cost 400/440. |
Panzerfusiliers do pay for their G43's though. Obersoldaten would need a manpower decrease if their LMG comes separate, and Fallschirmjagers would also need a cost reduction.
I find these balance discussion always amusing how bad they are. especially the concept of forcing fsj and obers to pay for their weapons. but the fsj and obers are this expensive because they already carry weapons. if you remove their weapons and single fsj should only cost between 32-34 mp. and obet between should only cost 34-35 and with less popcap of course. you will see a lot more obers and fsj when you do that and after a while they are going to get their weapon upgrades . right fsj and obers are limited because of their very high mp . if the suggestion goes through you will see oberspam of apocalyptic proportions. |
Am I reading this right? Did you just try to say medium tanks have more firepower than heavy tanks? The only heavy tank lacking firepower is the KV-1, and the KV-8 if we're talking AT ability, though it's #1 if we're talking about AI ability.
you can have 2 medium tank guns for each heavy one. the soviet sherman 85 and e8 have enough penetration that they can penetrate the heavies and overwhelm them. the panther has no issue with is2 but struggles against the e8 and 85. |
Exactly. Veterancy is a large part of the problem here. Actually, toning down vet bonuses for all units is the right way to do it, and would improve many things.
It would also help to even out the survivability edge heavy tanks have over medium tanks, making them much easier to accumulate veterancy on.
Volks vet is not an issue. even with vet they remain only a meatshield and vetted rifles will still defeat albeit slowly. and are people actually complaining about the heavy tanks? medium tanks do not have the durability of the heavies put they pack a lot more firepower and its easy to flank if you have 2 tanks instead of one. |
T-34/76 front plate: 45 mm/60° = 90 mm effective armour
Sherman M4A3 front plate: 51 mm/56° = 91,2 mm effective armour
PzKpfw IV Ausf. H front plate: 80 mm/9° = 81 mm effective armour
Relic logic:
T-34/76 front armour 150
Sherman front armour 160
PzKpfw IV front armour 180
No, not biased at all...
It can be explained that the p4 75 kwk l/48 packed a lot more punch then the t-34 76 mm. for example the p4 j could penetrate the regular t-34 from 2000 meters. the t-34 need to get close to nearly 500 meters. |
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