JohnnyB do you play as Soviets? Because if you did you would know Shocks are stupid enough to bring a knife to a gun fight. They have to be close enough to stab you to do damage, all you have to do is suppress them and they are useless.
Now yes please give me Obers in soviet for shocks and I will have obers and is2 in same doctrine. Say goodbye to your 4 man ost squads, they'd be vaporised by obers with lmg even after patch.
Also @Jaigen 80/0.7 is 114 not 104hp
Time for basic math: 10 % of 80 = 8 multiply by 3 = 24 so that means 80 + 24 = 104.
Really? dude |
Still waiting facts from you.
short range
volks : 3.2 * 2 = 6.4
fusiliers: 3.2 * 2 = 6.4
obers 1 = 6.8
Long range
volks= 1.3 * 2 = 2.6
Fusiliers = 1.6 * 2 = 3.2
Obers = 3.3
ober will do more damage but their armour only gives 24 more hp so every ober sits 104 effective hp. 2 fusiliers or volks have 160 hp and you dont need to tech up to get them. they are also more resistant to aoe.
In short its better to rely on callin infantry for the okw or only volks that use obers. |
Yep, I knew I shouldn't have bothered.
Of course because arguments and facts is something you cannot handle. |
I don't know why I'm replying to you of all people, guess I'm masochistic today...
Anyway, what you say about 2 volks is debatable. 2 volks do not out dps Ober with lmg. 2 volks also cost 470 mp. If you upgrade them with Shreks, they won't out dps Obers.
As always Jai, you just take the bits that support your argument, and leave out the other facts. The only standards I see slipping in this forum, is the fact you haven't been banned yet, though with the recent game changes, I don't think it'll be long.
How's your OKW rank since patch?
this is not a debate 2 volks will outperform a single ober. and if you are so concerned about upgrades why not compare them to fusiliers or grens? both grens and fusiliers are way better at base and their weapons upgrades are better because they come on a cheaper platform.
and how is my score? better then ever i actually have decent AT guns and support weapons for the okw never used obers much anyway since most maps favour cc battles.
As i said long before this patch obers needed a nerf. but this is overdoing it. |
That's very good change but now we have Volks+Fusi blob or Volks+Falls blob etc so in fact nothing has changed except. That design 
Although Volks->Obers->Panther was boring meta. Now we have Volks->Fusi->Jadgpanzer for example, so it's good change.
You didn't see that coming and you have the strategist badge? standards for this forum has fallen really low
nobody in their right mind is ever going to use obers again because 2 volks perform better then 1 ober. and when 2 volks perform better then 1 ober you really have overnerfed an infantry unit. |
Their cost efficiency with LMG is comparable to M1919 paras, rec acc modifier and vet ensures complete negation of 4v6 squad members difference.
Your point is...?
you are wrong |
So use doctrinal infantry instead.
OKW doesn't lack that.
Soviets rely in it since day 1.
Obers are still potent, you might see that if you play the game(as up until now no evidence of it exist) instead of just forum warrioring with johnnyb.
I dont question their potency but their cost efficiency . Your correct on the callin infantry but the okw isn't the soviets |
Because its not meant to grant them huge advantage. You know, they are supposed to be more balanced.
Muni income is not an argument, LMG is well worth 90 muni yet it costs 60-same 60 as Ost normal LMG that can't fire on the move and you need to get prone to fire it.
They would be balanced if in the ostheer. but they are not in the ostheer. The only good thing about this is that it shows the flaws and the rather large problems with the okw. with these guys nerfed it shall become apparent and several aspects of the okw will get buffed. i doubt the puma and track will remain where they art. |
So what are you saying exactly? Should 2 obers outperform 7-8 LMG grens? LMG Obersoldaten out-perform LMG grenadiers cost for cost. What they lack in MP efficiency they more than make up for with munition efficiency. The reason you only get max 2-3 obers in a match is because you also have shrecked up volks running around.
Edit: Also, if LMG grens are going to be your target of reference for how cost-effective units should be, the allies would like to receive their buffs please! 60 ammo for a BAR is laughable vs 60 ammo for a LMG42.
Not by a long shot.Then their is also the issue of reduced ammo and fuel income as well as volksgreandiers being the worst baseline infantry. And bars are awesome provided you are in CC situations. but lmg's and assaults rifles are 2 completely different weapons. so i have no idea why you compare them.
The big question why tech up and get obers? you dont your better of with volks or any other call infantry. You have given me no reason to take obers over other infantry. |
Yes, and their LMG34 provides way too much for 60 munitions, which is the same price as a BAR.
I consider the Obers to simply be a 400mp/60muni squad now. And they perform fine for that cost in my opinion.
I suppose you could make obers a cheaper squad so that their MP cost reflect the effectiveness of the baseline unit. But then you also have to make the LMG34 cost more munitions to reflect its performance. However, I'm not a fan of this solution as I'd rather spend a bit more MP and have more munitions to spare for things like mines, schreks, and abilities. Man power is not that much of an issue for OKW, and having more munitions available for abilities lead to better, more exciting gameplay.
Eh no because your still bottlenecked by the mp. how many obers are you able to get? 2 perhaps max 3. i can get 7-8 grens/rifles and after a while they will get upgraded and blow the obers out of the water with their efficiency.
That obers needed to be nerfed was clear. but should have gone for 300 mp obers with a 90 ammo lmg and 120 ammo stg44. |
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