Is this troll?
Without LMG they own everything, except Shocks.
Their DPS is like Grens with LMG.
Go back to your college and ask your money back from your maths teacher. |
I disagree, people are just used to them completely and effortlessly pwning everything in sight. I would say they provide enough survivability and DPS for a 400mp infantry unit. Looking at Paras, Falls and PzGrens for comparison of cost effectiveness.
They are not "slightly better Grenadiers", they are Ultra-grenadiers. Long range firepower out of the box, much more accurate kars, with an exponentially more powerful, but same-cost, LMG upgrade, better received acc modifiers, and insane veterancy bonuses.
Al this blabbering how awesome they are still doesnt change the fact that they are horribly cost inefficient. are they better then the para's grens and rifles? oh yeah. here is the thing i can easily get 2 of them for each ober. and 2 para's rifles and grens >>>>>> 1 ober. |
Obers are fine. You just have to use actually micro them into cover now instead of simply A-moving across open fields like you could do pre-patch.
People still can do that as their 0.7 modifier hasnt been affected. The problem is that baseline obers provide far to little for 400 mp. nothing more then slightly stronger grenadiers |
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The issue is not the KT the issue is that the is has 375 when it should have 300-325 |
Interestingly enough, cruzz notes said that volks do not infact get 30% reload, but only 30% cooldown increase with vet 5. Which affects their rifle, but not the panzershreck.
well shit.good thing we have cruzz. even so raketten and leigh are at a good place. |
I dont understand how you guys all struggle vs USF but are fine vs proper Con spam into 85's or whatever. I dont have that of a hard time to deal with USF. The key is keeping Grens in groups of 2 and cover, supported by MG's into fast T2 with a scout car. Get a sniper if youre confident with it and the map allows for it. Sniper really hurts USF. Oh and flamer Pios help out greatly as well, because they can do anti garrison, short range and vision stuff.
Aaaaaaaand believe it or not, i actually enjoy going T3. Yea i know, unbelieveable.
You should play the ost a bit more then. The problem is the m20. And basically the ostheer do not get the counters in time. in fact in equal circumstances the m20 arrives before the 222 or pak. not to mention the usf has more squads then you because of the cheaper tech.
so fuckups are not tolerated make one mistake early game and it becomes borderline impossible to return.
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Fair enough - Like I said, it'd be interesting to see the exact values in the game files. The problem was when a shell hit a volks grenadier squad it killed 4 of the models, it pinned that squad, but it also killed 1 model of another squad blobbed together, but the other squad didn't get suppressed at all. It'd be better if both got suppressed.
That is logical its based on aoe and to be honest i dont know how to improve this besides increasing its aoe which could make it very op very fast. still its not bad the suppression makes both units significantly better |
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Bad news: obers are shit. and not worth getting.
Good news: volks are even more ridiculous at killing tanks and the puchpen and support gun are insanely good now.
Overall the okw got some pretty tasty buffs so obers i will replace them with something decent. like volks i guess |
Pretty sure the damage modifiers are only vs explosive. Iirc units in green cover have 80% evasion
Also I'm going to tell you guys now that obeys still perform well, and regain a lot of their dps at vet 2 with that 40% accuracy bonus. Also please don't forget that overs start with 30% evasion, and that they have 5 levels of vet. To the people saying that players will use other doctrinal infantry more, great! More variety in strategy. To the people saying jli and unupgraded pfuziliers will out dps obers, lmfao. Also falls are a lot squished and have their dps spread out over 4 men. Overs are still the best anti infantry squad
Great even more callin meta! |
you guys know that fusiliers arent that good right? and for them to be decent they need a NINETY munitions upgrade
What ? next to grens they are extremely cost effective. they are on of the best long/mid range fighters for their price and whatever weakness they have at short range gets nullified wit the g42 upgrades not to mention excellent utility. |
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