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Thread: Locking OKW Tiger behind all SWS is super unfair26 Jan 2020, 18:19 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2020, 17:52 PMHannibal I think both SOV and OST should need to pay extra for a heavy. Corrent me if I'm wrong, but they both need to gain 205 fuel if I calculated correctly, while all other factions need to gain about 250 for full tech (including all side techs, medic etc) Both ost and sov dont get extras with tech. No free units, forward retreat points, non doc superheavy or base arty pieces. So i personaly dont see why they should pay the same to be able to go get a heavy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion25 Jan 2020, 14:19 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Jan 2020, 12:19 PMblvckdream Ah. The "getting rammed is the player's fault" non-sense again. Absolutely crazy how people can keep saying this. It's like they don't even play the game. The IL2 rocket strafe in competent hands is completely OP. The only way you could say it isn't is if you were super bad and played against elo-players that don't know what they are doing. I would go as far as saying the ram + IL2 rocket combo is the most cheesy strategy in COH2 at the moment. The argument that x ability is completly op in competant hands is more nonsense then getting hit by ram is your fault. Following that logic: Brumbar or ost t4 for that matter in the right hands is completly op. Ram is cheesy as hell indeed but by no means a garanteed hit. And sov is spending/sacrificing 300 mp and 100 fuel to snare mostly just to allow a follow up ability or unit to kill it or to kill its low health target straight up. In almost all instances you will loose the t34. Its not without drawbacks. It has big drawbacks. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion24 Jan 2020, 11:05 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Jan 2020, 09:45 AMKasarov I've said this a few times before, but I'll throw it out again: Soviet Mobilized Reserves only needs to lose the 7th man while keeping everything else to be balanced. This has several positive effects: 1) No more one-shot volley. 7*12=84 damage. IIRC one-shot volleys were being removed from the game wherever possible. Why should Soviets be special snowflakes? 2) 14.3% less damage and 14.3% less survivability. This tones down the raw power significantly without sacrificing any of the amazing utility benefits conscripts need. 3) The removal of the sergeant model. This model is not only historically innacurate (shoulder boards are far, FAR past 1945), but also has no winter model, and is really deform-happy with team weapons. 4) Bolster on top of a 6-man squad plays even more into the stupid "sOvIeTs hAVe iNfiNte mEn" stereotype. Stereotypes should be avoided whenever possible to be fair to all parties. If this strikes you as an over-nerf, feel free to tone the actual buff modifiers to hit the sweet spot if necessary. I, for one, would welcome the lowering of the benefits (alongside removal of the 7th man) in exchange for global upgrade + freed up weapon slot as an example. Cons lacked scaling for their utility outside the vet buffs for at nade and molly. Soviets are the faction with the least healing and reinforcing options. 7th man fixes this via merge imo. Giving staying power wich they other wise lack comparetivly. Now cons will be as intended. Able to outlast the enemy and keep other inf squads on the field even in late game with less risk of loosing the squad via merge. Soviets only also lack a nade and ai upgrade non doc. And cons wont be killing a model in 1 volley at range save for some extreme rng. This will be in close range mostly by far. So hardly any snowflaking here.since they lack nades and upgrrades nondoc 6 and 7th man sqauds balance it out. I think the change for cons is solid. Maybe make it slightly cheaper per squad. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: A wild idea on OST T422 Jan 2020, 13:34 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Jan 2020, 06:35 AMmrgame2 No you did not mention 60td nerf earlier and got my attention. Anyway maxim is as good as can be for Soviet composition. Any buff to suppression, it becomes a 50cal, replacing it with vickers clone, it becomes .. a clone. Soviet doesn't need to play like wehr(some of you should be thankful). And if you get wiped frontally, you are doing something wrong. Likewise wehr mg42 gets wiped when trying to reposition. Of course we still haven't get into details about maxim/Vickers with cons merge or fact wehr grens are worst at flanking and shooting down weapon teams. Yes maxim is great in 2v2 and above. Supplementary in 1v1. As good as it should be As for t70 and tiger, big difference. Tiger is more like a crutch, a walking stick to help wehr. Fact is tiger only change is more reliable AI and comes early. So its counters are still the same. If it were op, we should seen higher axis/wehr win rates. T70 in hands of pros is simply op against wehr 1v1, at least commonly agree here. Since im not pro or play 1v1, i didnt comment on t70 op. In 2v2, i don't find t70 as oppressive as shown. I didnt mention the td nerf indeed but i said nerf heavies across the board and work from there. The mg42 being wiped during postioning? Thats suposed to be weak point of the mg42. Unlike the maxim it has very little trouble stopping a single squad or a blob. You see the balance here? Probably not, since a maxim being frontaly wiped from max range because of deathloop and weak supression is the fault of the soviet player somehow. Talking about leaving out stuff. Cons merge is usefull indeed. But sov has only one way to heal and its in base. Ost can heal 3 different ways and none need to be in base. For reinforcing ost has 3 options and sov only has 2. And grens are not meant to be flankers. Cons do because of sprint and short range orientation. Pgrens do that job for ost pretty nicely. The 222 is quick enough to do that as well. The riflenade does a bloody good job at fighting/killing weapon teams. Yes for the t70 and tiger being cruthes there is a big dufference. The t70 has a small window to be an effective crutch, it cant fight armour unsupported, it dies to 3 at gun shots, but it is fast and has recon mode for late game. Ow and tellers one shot it. The t70 covers sov lacking normal nades and ads wiping power sov lack mostly besides the zis/Su76 barrage. The tiger just covers the at of the panther and the ai of the brum. In the case of the brum its just way better. You know a turret and faster projectile. So again why bother with either of them? Back to my point. Nerfing td,s and heavies. One cant done without the other. Otherwise allied late game goes back to sucking hard, or axis non doc end tier suffers as currently. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: A wild idea on OST T421 Jan 2020, 13:34 PM Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2020, 02:48 AMmrgame2 What's there to upgrade maxim? It has been received useful buffs. You didn't outright say overperform, but you want to stealth nerf, same meaning. Tiger is preferred is as you and i said it. It is more cost effective and it is a clutch unit. As i also said elsewhere, builing a stug/ostwind + tiger, should be about as cost efficient as allies t4 composition. So there you have it, T4 axis is simply under performance for their costs. I played it, i know We seen it at high levels, it is clear The maxim can use a better actualy good vet ability. Or the current one needs to be made better. The fact that it is the easiest to wipe frontaly despite being 6 men (cough deathloop cough) because it has a harder time supressing inf. And still costs 260mp excluding tech. Please take of the tin foil hat. I said nerf heavies across the board. And start from there with t4. How and in what universe does that steathely say or signal "it over preforms" So a crutch unit is good now somehow while the t70 wich also is a crutch is op? All t4 suffers from imo is the overly potent td,s. But whom in turn are neccecary now more then ever with the current heavy meta and stock kt. Fix heavies callin or stock by delaying them and kick the kt in a doctrine, nerf allied td pen acvordingly and or add deflection damage if possible. And i am convinced t4 will struggle a lot less. The panther can bounce shots again just as the brumbar. They wont be forced of within seconds of an engagement all the time because allied td,s wont nearly alway pen them. Then when heavies finaly arrive they still have a shock impact but the opposing faction should be able to deal with it. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: A wild idea on OST T421 Jan 2020, 02:32 AM Jump back to quoted post21 Jan 2020, 01:52 AMmrgame2 ^ lol So let's nerf axis because they are over performing now? While im ok with 1cp later call in Please let not disguise the fact tigers are a clutch unit for axis, especially wehr. The bunch you wrote will not help T4 get used more. And panther is maxim of axis? Please stop this concerned trolling Would you support a maxim buff? I think it is not worth the 260mp plus tech you need to spend on it. Despite it coming early has 6 men with low reinforce cost. Its vet ability is lowsy its supression is low has a smaller arc and has an unfixable bug. You as ost always up probably feel the panther is bad despite it being durable and fast with high pen high acc med tank rof and bigger range then other meds. Only its mov acc is not above other tanks and its ai is meh. Also where did i say overpreforming? Please show me. Also the tiger atm is a very big reason t4 is unused. Dont even try to deney it. Why get a panther when a tiger is more cost effective and can fight both inf and tanks? Well genius? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: fallschirmjager units are too broken imo20 Jan 2020, 23:41 PM Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2020, 23:23 PMStug life if that's all u need than this proves osther needs 6 men sqauds https://youtu.be/MJw13BfD44k It only proves ost needs to retreat sooner and not blob. He got artied flanked and killed a t34 and some con models also destroyed a building. Retreating so late with such damaged units with a t34 and t70 in retreat path is asking for getting wiped. The t70 was positioned perfectly both times. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: A wild idea on OST T420 Jan 2020, 19:04 PM The problem imo mostly is that callin heavies esp after the recent buffs come way to early, do a good both job in ai and at. While also being pretty durable and not as fast but not to slow either. In ost and okw,s case the tigers are a far better option. It covers ai and at excelenty because its got a good rof and can take a beating. Not like an is2 can take a beating but still quite a lot. Current ost t4 clings to the old design of beating ost before x minutes or you will need a miracle to win as allies. The limiting factor for t4 was that the units where very specialized and expensive unlike t3 units. But making the panther a durable p4 clone but a weaker tiger is boring and nonsense. Making the panther next to durable and mobile with medium tank rof and td acc more accurate on the move so it can be much more effective vs its intended targets and its counters (the dedicated td,s) is also a bad idea. Imo the panther is the maxim of the axis. Any buff will make it problematic. The current allied td,s came from the fact allies struggled greatly vs stock axis late game. Now with the buffs to heavies across factions in part because of the effective allied td,s allied td,s are neccecary even more. Delay heavies, party undo acc/scatter or any rof buffs. Remove the arty from the tiger that can call it in. And start from there. T4 will probably get used more. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Second G43 upgrade for Grenadier？19 Jan 2020, 12:18 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2020, 11:38 AMVipper 1) We are not in 2016 and neither 7 men conscripts appeared in 2016 2) Check the patch change log and you will see that VG had to be nerfed via veterancy nerfs because they where OP even vs USF infantry hordes 3) My point is solid, 7 men conscripts where not "a reaction to lmg grens" even if you do not agree about Penals/ST44 Vgs. If memory serves me right the penal buffs was a reaction to vg buff and maxim nerf. The op maxim back them kept volks in check. The maxim after its nerf became incapable of doing anything resembeling halting inf movement. Both cons and penals (wich to my recolection still where the 270mp up version) could not hope to fight volks esp after their stgs upgrade. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Second G43 upgrade for Grenadier？19 Jan 2020, 12:15 PM Jump back to quoted post19 Jan 2020, 11:30 AMT.R. Stormjäger Actually the issue was no weapon upgrade, meaning if you had to rebuild a Conscript squad in the late game it would do absolutely nothing vs Veteran Axis infantry. Yeah only for snaring would you rebuild them ever. For any other thing outside certain doctrines they where a waste in late game when replaced. In: COH2 Gameplay