Profile of Mr Carmine

conscript grenade will be OP

molotove default is also not necessary

u forgot coscript is 240/20 infantry

If the changes for cons in the commander patch go live they dont.

20 mp might sound cheap. But wich squad drops the most models by far? Conscripts do. Wich squad has side tech of 250mp and 35fuel just for basic snare and very slow anti garrison/cover? Cons do.

Divide those cost over total squads of cons and that is your actual squad cost.

Almost every faction has acces to sandbags now. That is no longer something special for cons. Volks have a cheaper better flame nade. Every one has snare now on inf squads non doc. Out of every other main inf squad only cons dont scale in their role. And to top it off oorah is nearly mandatory to even connect a snare. Making it a very expensive snare.

Right now 240mp plus 250mp and 45 fuel is way to much for what cons can do throughout the game.

The changes from the cmmdr patch will let them scale. Defend from cover. Wich they suck at now. Merge will be buffed so that the chance of it costing you the squad is a lot lower and you can fully crew a teamweapon from the moment you claim it. And lower reinforce cost further buffs merge.

I really hope the changes from the patch go live. Cons can do more the only snare and die in the late game.

I guess it's still much more complicated that what other factions have to do.

If you snare the vehicle they will repair relatively quickly and ost just very often loses munitions (and it's very munition starved anyway). To destroy the crippled US vehicle you must have a pak nerby, possibly no shot blockers, and if the allied vehicle is supported you still may not finish it off due to their infantry being more potent and killing your pak (because it's very difficult to move swiftly the pak, mg42 and 'grens in cover' combo). Allies have some cheesy ways of avoidin the vehicle doom: they have crit repairs, crew may hop off requiring you to attack ground, they may smoke shot pak with phoporous rounds etc. When it's the other way around, allies have more tools to eliminate a crippled vehicle including the relatively newly introduced satchels (instead of following with at they can throw a satchel which reduces hp greatly, there are new heavier bazookas, all this plus one at shot from Jackson/su85/firefly and the job's done).

To sum up, allies have both more tools to finish off a crippled ost vehicle and more tools to save their own damaged vehicles.

That's why not only the armour/penetration/hp should be analysed but also factors such as imho rpair speeds and abilities to cripple vehicles (compare the fact that there are quite a bunch of potent dual role AI and AT squads allies have while ost has squishy panzershreck panzergrens - they can be either AI or AT not both while guards, penals, infatry sections, paras, rangers etc are often more powerful fulfilling both roles (imo panzergrens should get satchels when equipped with shrecks to make the situation more even).

Ptrs zooks etc are weaker in term of alpha damage potential. That is why they are on sturdier squads and do a bit more vs inf. The shreck esp in larger numbersare a major threat to allied armour able to losse half hp in blink of an eye. Volks shreck blob was the best example of this. And thay had only one shreck each.

It's personal but I prefer soviet mines.

When it come to sachels - on certain maps and in certain situaltions it's relatively easy ambush a tank with a satchel. Still, the my point is that with so many AT solutions ost vehicles became much easier to kill. While buffing other factions (to counter OKW, which was perfectly valid to do) ost was left neglected.

They should have nerfed okw and not buffed the rest. Okw was special it had/has the lowest micro input requierment with highest reward off any faction. The low recources did very little to hold them back. A shreck blob and 2 obers where enough to stall for autowin kt. Wich should have never been non doc. This would have saved the game from so many balancing problems.

They should just nerf the rear armor, there is no reason for them to be immune to flanking

They are not immune to flanking. Their rear armour is 160 and 180. With 125 near pen a p4 should be able to pen is reasonably well imo. A panther deffinetly wil. A wel supported kv or churchill however is hard to flank. But so are tigers kt`s panthers etc.

Coh2 armor hit box is 50% of vehicle is front, and 50% is rear. So your low rear panther armor is really 50% of the tank, as such you encounter many cases where su85 can shoot 30 degree off front and score a rear armor hit. Besides allies td ignore armor values on veterancy.

Another way to fix is to move the hit box from 50/50 to 70/30 perhaps.

And KT is not ost tank.

Yes the kt isent an ost tank. But you cant ignore it when talking about non doc td,s considering the kt is also non doc.

50% of the front value being the rear armour had nothing to do with my remarks. Scoring a rear armour shot from the front is rng as hell. And just how do allied td,s ignore armour value with vet? Do they get a value that lets them always pen anything? No they dont, they get increased with vet, so do most armour values of ost tanks.

As what i assume to be true is that the panthers front armour is 260 and not 175. The pen from an su85 is around 200 far and 240 near. The panther can still bounce su 85 rounds so its armour cant be as low as 175.

But as @farlon points out is that the kt and is2 have the same frontal armour. Coh2db also states this, i overlooked that one.

I still believe that because allies no longer have td,s that bounce about 50% of their shots from panthers and even more against heavier targets.

Usf and soviet late game got better equiped to deal with panthers,kt and all sort of heavy armour totaly wrecked them. Beat ost within x minutes loose is no more thank god.