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Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration10 Jun 2019, 16:27 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 16:26 PMMr Carmine Its cheaper because sov t3 and ost t3 are not the same. Sov tier 3 is ost tier 2.5. A 222 scout car can kill it if it can get on its rear. The su76 was nerfed because it could reliably fight panthers and heavies to an extent. Overshadowing the su85 wich is more expensive. A just nerf imo. I think it was more a problem of the SU-76 also obliterating AT guns. One SU-76's barrage was okay. Four of them at once was a dead Pak. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration10 Jun 2019, 15:58 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 15:31 PMVipper Not all stats make sense. Actually allot do not. Especially since the same viable exist for different type of weapons. I suppose that what happens when Relic solved every problem with some quick hotfix tape. Six years later you've got this big, super complicated ball of tape. There are more exceptions than rules in CoH 2. In an ideal world this game could really do with some sweeping standardisations to unit performance, but it's such a big job I doubt it'll ever happen. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: SOV: Move T-34/76 to T3 and make T-34/85 non-doc/T410 Jun 2019, 15:53 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 13:59 PMHannibal Why would you build the T3 T34 for 100 fuel if you already have the T4 T34 for 90 fuel? Parallel building, I'd assume. Given the speed you get fuel in this game I don't really see much benefit though. You don't have the float to make it worthwhile. Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 13:58 PMHannibal Why not give it more close range pen and higher speed and acceleration? The concept of the T34 is flanking, this would feed into the aggressive playstyle of Soviets as a cheap throw away unit that pushes into enemy lines to force a break through. The only problem I see atm is that the T34 will always be suicided for rocket arty. It costs about the same, so it wouldn't be an efficient unit to trade like that. I think just the penetration would do it. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration10 Jun 2019, 15:51 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 15:40 PMVipper I see little reason why so many Otheer units should have TWP and actually different version of it.(there area actually 5 version of the ability) Simply replace it single AP round with higher penetration. (this would be good change for USF AP round also). I'm not even sure what Target Weak Point does any more. I'd replace it across the board with the OKW Puma's Aimed Shot. but i don't like snipers so I would say that In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration10 Jun 2019, 15:07 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 15:00 PMSander93 As Elchino said, you also have to take wind up and wind down times into account, that some vehicles have. Tbh I have no idea what it's for and why only some vehicles/weapons have it, but it adds to the reload. If you use https://coh2db.com/stats/, look up a vehicle's weapon and hover your mouse over the yellow/orange dot in the graph and you'll see what the actual reload time of the weapon is. rip all my previous vehicle comparisons press f to pay respects In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration10 Jun 2019, 14:07 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 13:55 PMSander93 Reload is 5 seconds at vet 0, versus Jackson's 6.55s and SU-85s 5.65s. But the real fun begins when it gets veterancy, as its reload with vet decreases to 3.523s at vet 4. (SU-85 has 4.57s and Jackson 5.054s at vet 3) In addition to that it also gets 800HP at vet 2, so it will out-DPS (versus hp) all Allied TDs with ease. I've got the Jackson's Vet 0 reload down as 4.38s to 4.97s. Vet 3 reload is down as 2.98s - 3.38s. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: M36 Jackson10 Jun 2019, 14:04 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 12:49 PMVipper The m36 has will still have edge because it has range even without 100% chance to hit and penetrate at range 60. It current penetration value make even the HVAP round a noob trap ability, a player has little reason to use it other than damage (which is situational). It has that penetration so it can deal with heavy tanks. Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 12:49 PMVipper The game is design around probabilities it is not AOE. Middle ground exist, in balance there is not only OP and UP. I mean the tanks are already well balanced against each other. If you make the Panther better against the Jackson, then you give the Panther an edge. If you give the Panther an edge, then USF has no stock answer to it. Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 12:49 PMVipper You are entitle to your opinion but so are others PLS mind the language. I apologise. Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 12:49 PMVipper PzIV can not fight infatry if that infatry is supported by M36. It can. The Jackson isn't going to one-shot it. You can play a Panzer IV into a Jackson the same way you can play a Centaur into a Panzer IV. You keep AT support nearby, and when your anti-infantry vehicle takes too much heat you pull it back to safety. Repair, repeat. Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 12:49 PMVipper If M10/Stug/SU-76 are enough to fight a mediums there is little reason why M36 should be even more effective than those. Is it? Based on the numbers I'd say it's about the same. Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 12:49 PMVipper USF have access to very cost efficient unit and the only reason one does not seem them is that M36 is so good vs every enemy vehicle. The performance of the M36 vs mediums not only make mediums a bad choice for axis but also for allies and it make "infatry/TD" the optimum strategy I don't think nerfing the Jackson against medium tanks would change that. If the enemy is building medium tanks and USF has the infantry advantage, it's going to go for a tank destroyer anyway. Why build anti-infantry vehicles when you're already winning the infantry battle? In contrast, Ostheer is usually losing the infantry battle at that point, so it desperately wants the P4. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration10 Jun 2019, 13:30 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 13:01 PMFelinewolfie =========== No. SU76 = StuIIIG (StuIIIG is better) SU76 is weaker but has arty. Su85 = Panther Different, but same idea. People scream for SU76 pen to be reduced, yet it does less dmg (120 vs 160) and has less pen than StuG ... and you want StuG to be buffed? Wouldn't it be great if SU-76 could handle Tigers and Panthers 1 on 1 ? That's basically what you are asking for. But the StuG isn't equivalent to the SU-76. In terms of timing and firepower the SU-76 is equivalent to the Puma. The closest thing to the StuG is the M10, which has timed AP rounds and the speed/turret combo to attack the rear armour of things. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: AT / Raktenwerfer OKW revamp10 Jun 2019, 12:03 PM Jump back to quoted post7 Jun 2019, 21:39 PMBalanced_Gamer If it should remain 1 Pzshrek than I suggest Volksgrenadiers to get it instead but locks their STG upgrade if the AT upgrade is acquired. Because factions such as USF and UKF can have a unit Royale Engineers with 2 AT plus snare and Riflemen with 2 AT with snare. That is my point. I take it you don't remember the roving anti-everything Volksblobs of Doom. The STG upgrade was created specifically to remove it from the game completely. PGren Panzershrecks can only be purchased in pairs for a similar reason. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: StuG and JPIV Penetration10 Jun 2019, 12:00 PM Jump back to quoted post10 Jun 2019, 11:59 AMDomine The Panther doesn't counter anything, especially not heavy vehicles with it's low ass dps. Is this a joke? Because I'm not sure what to say to you if it's not other than 'no'. In: COH2 Balance