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Thread: [Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback9 Jan 2021, 21:00 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 20:47 PMthedarkarmadillo And that simply make grenadier the "least cost efficient infantry", so from now we should repeat in every thread that grenadier is "least cost efficient infantry". In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Remove counter-barrage.9 Jan 2021, 20:59 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 20:54 PMHannibal Just counting units does not prove a point. What matters how accessible the units are. It would be much better to count commanders and then also note how viable these are. UKF for example has almost no viable indirect, that is one of the reasons why the Royal arty commander is so popular especially in team games. USF has three slightly different types of attrition based mortars but no non-doc rocket arty. Unfortunately, only rocket arty secures kills so people pick Calliope commanders to make up for it. But just counting their doc units and then saying "look, the text here looks similarly long to the list of Axis units" (slightly polemic) does not prove a point and is rather misleading. True. After reading so many time that Quad (and/or M36) needs to be OP AA because it the only AA Soviet (and/or the only TD USF ) get stock, I can't really say that I am surprised to see some else using a similar argument. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] General Discussion9 Jan 2021, 20:35 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 20:26 PMthedarkarmadillo the discussion about jp4 getting its mostly useless first strike buffed, and later on a genral Passover for all vet is good, comparing the jp4 and su76 though is a joke, even if they have similar vet bonus at the moment. That is simply inaccurate the comparison was about abilities and not the units But there is little reason not to compare the units to begin with: Stug/SU-76 and JP are unit in the same category. Actually SU-76 and JP have same range and similar penetration/ROF while Stug has 10 less range. Su-76 has utility, mobility and price on its side while JP has Armor/HP/target size/damage on it side. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback9 Jan 2021, 20:26 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 20:17 PMthedarkarmadillo ostheer, or rather grens specifically are not supposed to operate independently like other mainlines, thats why it is absolutely impossible to have grens and not an mg42. the issue lies in grens not synergizing well with the mg42. since suppression reduces damage grens kinda dont bite in the scenario they are supposed to operate in. id like to see grens with a bonus against suppressed units through ability, vet, maybe the battlephase system or even natively, hell, even as a cover bonus or a bonus in friendly territory likely removed when VSL is purchased to keep the paths unique. grens are well designed, especially for their faction, but since the game has sped up they certainly lost out much like cons did in the past. And that why Ostheer has been hit so hard when their "support weapon advantage" has become so small. Point remain that "grenadier is cheapest mainline myth" in not true and even it was true it would mean very little very little because grenadier are so cost inefficient on their own. Thus it would allot better if people stop repeating in every thread. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback9 Jan 2021, 19:47 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 19:35 PMMr Carmine Yes thats why vipper said 270mp and not 240mp. Do grens have tech wich only and only benits them? In live for cons thats 250 mp and some fuel. No this easely makes cons a more expensive squad. And 10 to 40 mp fo total squad ugrades is easely covered and over takes grens in costs. If grenadier are the "cheapest" mainline infatry than they are simply list cost efficient infatry because 3-4 conscripts, 3-4 riflemen, 3-4 tommies are all viable strategies while 4 grenadier is not. Ostheer are probably one of the factions with slowest starts (unless they go doctrinal) so repeating the "cheapest argument" means very little because it does not really translate to an advantage. So I suggest we stop with this myth. Each unit has a cost to buy and the price of grenadier is 240 which is the same as conscripts. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback9 Jan 2021, 19:35 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 19:28 PMMr Carmine You do know you need to buy the 7th man right? SVT conscripts can not upgrade with a 7 entity. 7 men conscripts are 258/60mu unit and once vetted they can hold just fine vs 5 men grenadier that cost 270/60 mu and are still more expensive to buy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback9 Jan 2021, 19:33 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 18:40 PMHannibal The bundle nade is relatively easy to time and does excellent damage. The satchel can work but is way harder to pull of plus you need to be far behind the enemy already due to the long fuse. If you flank from the side and the enemy retreats, you have no chance to throw a satchel in time. Another reason why I value the bundle so much is because it ignores light cover which is plenty in the later stages of the game, whereas you moving DPS gets further diminished. Penals do have decent damage on the move on the long range, but the PGren advantage between 10-20 is definitely not negligable either. Conscripts though are pretty horrible at wiping, IS are also subpar even after the reworks. It gets a little better when they get their Brens, but then they may not walk, which makes wipes slightly more map dependent if your opponent manages to run around a corner or not. I have simply responded to claim: "PG are extremely good at chasing, something only barred up Riflemen can do to a similar extend. Soviets do not get similar infantry at all". And provided the stat that show the moving DPS of unit and that pg are that much different even than Penals. Most faction have a way to try for an early wipe and given that grenadier are not really good at chasing, PGs seem to be the alternative. As for PGs, as long a unit of the power level of Penal is allowed this early in the game it seems that early PGs are a necessary evil. As I posted many time my personal opinion that I would rather see powerful unit arrive later but... When ti come to bundle grenades yes it strong but it inline with light gammon bomb that can arrive at similar time with Assault officer. Biggest offender imo are commands with light gamon bomb and PG with camo. I have already suggested that camo units should have grenades replaced by DOT grenades. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: suggestion for SOV9 Jan 2021, 18:02 PM Guards Mosin is quite a strong weapon especially on the move. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback9 Jan 2021, 17:55 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 17:23 PMMr Carmine If svt makes cheap cons over preform, then what does vsl to cheaper grens? Both grenadier and conscripts cost 240 manpower to buy. SVT conscripts cost 240/60mu at CP 1 and VSL grenadier cots 270/60mu at CP 2. VSL grenadier are simply not cheaper to buy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] OST Feedback9 Jan 2021, 17:18 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Jan 2021, 17:13 PMThamor Oh damn, that Airborne commander is super strong. Already cheap ass conscripts with SVT's are such a different beast to fight against. SVt conscripts do not have bad DPS on the move either 10/20/35 12.8/9.7/5.1 In: COH2 Balance