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Thread: Smartie's commander reworks: Soviets15 Jan 2021, 10:26 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Jan 2021, 09:24 AMSmartie ... Tank hunter simply does not need artillery as commander ability replace the ml-20 with mark target and is fine, fix the the AT bombing and it will better. Unless one want to redesign the B4 and make it an AT artillery. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Bofors 40MM Discussion14 Jan 2021, 10:03 AM Jump back to quoted post14 Jan 2021, 06:22 AMKurobane Today I would like to talk about the UKF Bofors 40mm Anti-Aircraft Gun. Veterancy First of all has anyone gotten the Bofors to Vet 3? In my almost 7000 hours of COH 2 played I have never seen a Bofors Vet 2 let alone vet 3. Usually when the enemy knows that you have a Bofors, they will either avoid that area of the map or use Mortar/AT Gun spam to take it out. Maybe you should also be asking for 20mm AA to even be able to gain veterancy first. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet tech change suggestion13 Jan 2021, 20:33 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 20:06 PMelchino7 My issue with how you suggest and think about changes is that you plan as if we had balance patches available every 2 months so we can make adjustments and see where that takes us. Most of what you ask for seems like will never be done from a pragmatical point of view. 1- Give data and compare it, cause i can also say "i just want balance". 2- What you describe is basically people just opting to skip light vehicles at all. Back to the point of how much you delay then medium vehicles + heavy tanks. 3- Power level as you describe it, didn't rise. It has been constantly going down. 4- Invent a time machine and ask them to change their whole philosophy so they adapt to your own personal view of how the game should be. 5- Again, your whole idea is killing OH back to what it was before, see where it lands, then nerf USF/UKF/OKW. How long it will take and which are those changes. And what do you plan to do to delay medium vehicles and heavies as well. Balance in an RTS is a process which is constant. No matter what you do, there will always be outliers. What you constantly suggest is completely changing the paradigma we have in the hopes that it will be better. No it is not "in the the hopes it will be better", these number have been tested and where fine for EFA. Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 20:07 PMelchino7 The problem is that i don't think that is EVER gonna happen at all. You can suggest things that are more likely to happen than better solutions that are impossible to implement. Well at some point one has to recognize that he is an the wrong direction and simply change it. Having a high AI mainline infatry that can then upgrade with PTRS is simply bad design. It much easier to change the design than to balance the unit with in this flawed design. A similar flawed design was chosen with Super heavies and the changes where not only reverted, but Super heavies even got a tech cost. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet tech change suggestion13 Jan 2021, 20:03 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 19:48 PMelchino7 M3 + PTRS is in the back of my head and not sure how to deal with it without outright killing it. Not sure how but what i thought was to make the 2 non droppable PTRS not able to shoot out while been on board or somehow be severely penalised in some way (cd/accuracy). Tank hunter tommies will require a rework no matter what. RET/RE are cheaper to build and reinforce, are engineers with more utility in them and zook/piats are good at all stages of the game. You don't see them early on because you don't want to kill the AI of a unit just to deal with a LV. On top of the upgrade cost. I don't think it's problematic that PTRS can ALWAYS hit light vehicles more so how often they can hit it. The more i think about it, i think a way to tune is to make the 2 non droppable PTRS way worst. In regards to blobbing, that's the whole reason to nerf the AI of Penals PTRS. Unless you want to tell me now that PGs with schrecks are also an issue. The difference between PG and Penal is that making PG the core mainline infatry of one's is not really viable while making Penal the core of your army is easier. There is little reason to reinvent he wheel. Penal/PTRS Penal should either be designed to be like PG and arrive later in which a case having good AT would less of an issue or should either be follow the PF design and have upgrade. Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 19:48 PMelchino7 If you ask me for a better and easier solution, they would just receive Elite zooks by lend lease. Way easier to balance than what the current situation is with PTRS where the only viable way seems to double down on this route. If SU had a hard AT infantry unit which could threaten vehicles in the late game, then it means it's way easier to nerf and justify things like hard nerfs on ram or doctrinal abilities Creating a separate AT infatry or Anti light vehicle infatry for soviet would be a better solution than adding that role to Penals. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet tech change suggestion13 Jan 2021, 19:37 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 19:24 PMelchino7 1- You just created a problem where there is none for the other 2 factions, while OKW remains the same as well. I simply suggested rolling back so that unit have bigger windows of opportunity. Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 19:24 PMelchino7 2- Do you think 222, FHT, Puma, P2, Flak HT, AA HT, M20 and Stuart are too strong atm? 222 comes way to early, its hmg accuracy bonus are too high (around 145% on mg and 156% on 2cm) FHT is too lethal and expensive. it should have it DOT move to an ability (that goes for all Flame vehicles) AA HT should lose the suppression on the move M20 should have it skirt upgrade cost replace with mu/fu, its hmg accuracy bonus are too high (around 145%) Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 19:24 PMelchino7 3- The early game has been change due to doctrinal infantry and abilities once heavies are no longer a victory condition. It's has not been conditioned by light vehicles and Dodge is just a consequence of how good the OH meta is atm. Before the heavy meta we had things like Ostwind rush and all recently reworked commander units like Pathfinders, JLI, Falls, SVT drops. It might but that does not mean that light vehicles have no received buffs. Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 19:24 PMelchino7 4- Timing wise (tech rush) it pretty much similar for UKF/OKW/USF. OH/SU has been the ones left behind and it's one of the reasons why old OH depended so much in panic Puma. I disagree about power level of lights. And it was WFA that should have adapted to EF timing and not the other way around. Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 19:24 PMelchino7 -T70 has been dropped down in power level, just not at the same rhythm the game has go down. -M5/Su76 had been severly nerfed -Stuart/AEC had both way higher AI on top of more disruptive abilities. -Greyhound nerfed -AAHT/Flak HT both nerfed although made far easier to use. -P2 nerfed. -222 overbuffed but like 6 years ago and then nerfed while receiving QOL changes. 5- P2 is not the only problem. What do you do with FHT/Flak HT? Do you make them obsolete by delaying them more even though USF/UKF can field Stuart/AAHT/AEC? Do you put the FHT upgrade back in BP2? How much do you plan on delaying ALL light vehicles and HOW, because it's not something that can be done in stages or by faction. It has to be done all at the same time. And then how much do you delay medium vehicles so light vehicles can operate? And how much do you delay heavy vehicles after that ? As I have pointed out that using Ostheer old fuel tech value seem a like a good place to start. One can keep the changes of moving Fuel cost to BP. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet tech change suggestion13 Jan 2021, 19:25 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 19:04 PMelchino7 .... Read my answer towards zero and i'll add. Right now, in their current state, the 3 PTRS is not good enough in order to deal with either the Flak HT nor the FHT. Not my words, everyone who played the preview patch. Inconclusive against P2 after they buff their performance against cover. Flak HT and FHT are AI vehicles why should an AT infatry be able to deal with them to begin with? Bazooka RE, Piat Ro.E and Tank hunter Tommies all face similar issues and I do not see the reason why PTRS Penal should be an exception. In addition if you load PTRS Penal in vehicle the probably can deal with both vehicles. The thing with PTRS in that in current implementation it always hits light vehicles. Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 19:04 PMelchino7 That's the reason i also want to nerf the AT satchel, increase their cost, nerf their AI and nerf their cooldown. So the PENAL PTRS closes the gap to zooks, with a better performance against lights but worst against heavier vehicles. The burst dmg remains comparable. I totally agree with removing the engine damage from satchel since they should have a tool to deter vehicles from pushing them around but they do not need to cause engine damage with a single snare. There are several problems with Penal and PTRS. If one makes the very good vs light vehicles one runs the risk of making the Penal/sniper combo too strong. In addition the fact that the unit start with superior AI and can then transit to AT make the unit too versatile and can create blobbing issue. If one wants there properties from singe unit one should probably follow the PF model and allow 2 different paths, an AI upgrade and AT upgrade. Else one can "create" an dedicated AT infatry and be done with. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: End Game report13 Jan 2021, 14:52 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 14:40 PMSkysTheLimit I would like to see this fixed although it might be intentional. The actual damage numbers are preferable. I would think it's especially better for newer players I remember being very confused when I first started caring about unit stats I do not think it is intentional I guess the engine simply calculating all damage done including the damage done to world objects. This is guess of coarse and I could be wrong but I suspect that in map without world objects the report might be more accurate. If any want to run some test to find out more I would probably be available. In: Lobby
Thread: End Game report13 Jan 2021, 14:21 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 14:18 PMaerafield Do you know how "unit efficiency" in percent is calculated exactly? Unfortunately no think it a combination of XP gained (or damage done) and unit XP value (or cost). I suspect on could test by firing 1 ATG and Zis ATG round on the 2 tank of the same type. We could try testing it if you are really interested. I do not think damage taken would be reduce efficiency. In: Lobby
Thread: End Game report13 Jan 2021, 14:14 PM I find the end game report very useful. Imo there should be an attempt for units report to include emplacement since it would be helpful. Damage is not very accurate but it helpful. Good thing is that shot from ATGs that bounce do not count as damage done as it can be seen from this report where M-42 is firing on KT. https://www.coh2.org/file/19355/m42.jpg https://www.coh2.org/file/19356/damage-report.jpg In: Lobby
Thread: Soviet tech change suggestion13 Jan 2021, 13:43 PM Jump back to quoted post13 Jan 2021, 12:58 PMWAAAGH2000 Agree for Mobilize reserves，maybe should work on weapon squad too? Soviet weapons reinforce with 20 for hmg and for 15 for the rest. It is already pretty low. One should be use merge for HMG anyway so it can go down to 18 with mobilize. In: COH2 Balance