What? Rak outranges most tanks by 20. If a tank shoots your rak before it gets 1 shot off, not being camofalauged had nothing to do with it. That means you didn't spot for your AT gun...
That is incorrect RW has a range 55 and most tank have a range 40 so it 15 not 20. |
Because you won't spend 750 MP in one go. 50 MP is a quasi price.
If they where any good people would build 5 of them for the current 150. They do not build a single one.
If any sort of bunker had a 50 MP cost, I'd spam it. Especially in teamgames.
And what troops would place in these bunker if spammed them?
I won't build 10 rear echelons to build 10 bunkers at once.
RE do not build bunker the build fighting position. How many fight position that cost 125 MP do you average build in your game?
Do you see the point or are you daft to counter-arguments?
If you had an argument, there would be a reason to respond but you do not have an argument other "I would spam them". Which does not really qualify for argument.
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That's somehow not spammable? Wow, I won't build 30 of them but 15...
Yes with a price of 50 they are not spammable.
Are baiting or do you actually have a point? unless you seriously thinking that one can win a game by investing 750 manpower in building garrison cover. |
Yeah kinda true, not a good ideal I guess....
Maybe just let Grenadier be able to build sandbags but slower compare to pio building then (Or maybe trench?)
bunker could have a price from 25-50 MP |
Strange, I wonder why they didn't just increase the minimum crew size to 2. Nevertheless that's a single example of a niche unit that already has an unusual characteristic (one-man artillery).
it a animation issue. |
That Cons cost 240mp as well, doesn't mean that it doesn't make them the cheapest as well. They just share that position.
And once you start to include tech into the discussion, it has been brought up before how this mud the discussion because now we enter a different realm on which you can't just compare units in isolation rather than builds.
Since it seems you don't want to acknowledge my previous point and the direction this discussion goes, i'll cut it here. Have a good day.
Cheapest infatry are conscripts and Grenadiers that sum it up for me.
Have a good couple of days. |
They are the cheapest stock main line infantry and the hardest to use effectively outside of doctrinal abilities. Been the cheapest doesn't meant it's good by default, same that assuming that spamming Grenadiers only as other faction do on their opening should be effective at all.
Can't you just be honest and admit that the WC2019 argument was bad? For someone who worries so much about precision, it doesn't make your argument worst for admitting it.
How are the cheapest mainline infatry? they cost 240 which is the same as conscripts.
To actually get grenadier one has to build a T1 first.
So no I do not see how they are cheapest infantry.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't rak vet 1 originally camo in cover but was changed due to being buggy?
If nobody is using the current implementation ANYWAYS couldn't we strike a compromise with the return of that?
At worst we have what we have now where people are not camoing their raks, at best we might see some cheeky positioning and actual ambushes. Plus gets rid of the dubious "invisible in the middle of a field but will retreat if you get too close" shit we thankfully ditched with snipers.
On release it would camo in cover at vet 1.
Then RW had camo from vet 0 and could move at 0.40% speed (about double than zis), vet 1 was further speed boost. |
The only ostruppen that don't get sandbags are the the mobile defense ones. Unless you are saying that Ostruppen should get sandbags from the get-go instead of CP1 or CP2, which I'm not sure is a good idea since they are trying to tone down sandbag spam. Might work if they are balanced like the conscript sandbags in 5.0 where they are built slower than stock Pioneer sandbags but end up at same speed as Pioneers at Vet 1 or something like that.
It is my opinion that mainline infatry should not have sandbags.
On the other hand ff IS get them from start ostruppen should also get them from start. |
I agree with you: They should replace Grenadier ability to build bunker with making sandbags (but also way slower building compare to Pio to stop spamming)
Grenadier are weak early game and they need sandbag, period.
Ostruppen from t1 should have sandbag instead of bunkers. |
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