[Winter Balance Update] General Discussion

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 01:11 AMShadowLinkX37

It wasn't considered moving. It's at like 15ish range, maybe 18. But at that range it shouldn't miss that.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 01:22 AMStug life

Churchill was moving tho panther was not

at gun was max range not close

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 00:51 AMelchino7

Bug or it was considered still moving? Cause static it should not miss at that range since it has way over 100% acc.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 01:53 AMGrumpy

The Panther has 6% at close range. The Katy's size is 20, so I'm pretty sure that means it has a 120% chance to hit. It looked like you purposely stopped the Panther so I'd vote for bug in this case.

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2020, 23:33 PMVipper

Again call it what ever you want, it does not make any difference. Panther is still a vehicles designed to counter enemy vehicles.


I do not, but heavy crash is available to other vehicles like the Comet and it also "available" to UKF engineers for free with the destroy cover ability or for 30 munition to CE via demolition charges.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 00:45 AMShadowLinkX37

Got it. I now understand balance. If something is doing something it shouldn't be, it's just based RNG and just L2P. I'll remember that next time I drive my panther into my opponents base to kill a katy.

ISU-152 deleting squads from 70 range? Just dodge.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 08:28 AMMr Carmine

I know i said it multyple times its designed to fight vehicles. Just not all of them equally effective. It will put other units out of a job. Wich it already does to an extent.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 08:28 AMMr Carmine

That the others units can do heavy crush is not part of this issue. They are not getting buffs wich they do not need.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 00:45 AMShadowLinkX37

We're comparing driving our tanks into AT guns and fausts with no support to missing a katy at 15 range? The fact that you drove into AT guns, get snared, and still just drive away is testament to the churchill's viability at a damage soak.........

Then saying an AT gun can't hit another AT gun when it's decrewed and getting flanked by a hetzer because again..... no support. Clearly my point has been usurped by quality counter arguments.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 08:53 AMVipper

But SU-85 M36 and FF already fight all vehicle "equally effective" since they have the accuracy and penetration to deal with all of them. Why should Panther be an acceptation?

This is all or nothing design approach. Either there "medium TDs"/"Heavy TDs" design where Panther/M36/SU-85/FF are designed to counter mostly super heavies or not.


heavy crush is also irrelevant to accuracy so lets try to keep out of it.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 12:36 PMMr Carmine

Allies face stock premium meds, they need stock answers to those. Axis at most face one premium med and 1 heavy stock from 1 opposing faction. So that that allied td's have a broader range shoudnt be a suprise to any one.
The su85 ff m36 fight most target equally effective at max range only. Because they outrange them. Once that is not the case they fall short as they should and do.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 12:36 PMMr Carmine

Jp4 while its own beast isent used cuz the panther overlaps and is a safer choice.

Heavy crush allows panthers to get the drop on vehicles it would not be able to without it.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 14:26 PMVonManteuffel

Good point! Miragefla once mentioned the idea to make Panther like Firefly.

I would definitely appreciate that change, cause at this time, there is no real use for Panther.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 13:51 PMVipper

That does not change the fact that their should either be a distinction in design between heavy and medium TD and Panther/SU-86/FF/M36 should all be in the first category or none of them. This is a simply design choice unrelated to balance.


If that was true the Stug would not be used either for the same reason.

JP4 is not used because it is very expensive, takes too much pop and can easily be circle strafed and die if only one is build.

And once can easily say the same about the SU-76/M10, "isnt used cuz the Su-85/M36 overlaps and is a safer choice"

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 12:36 PMMr Carmine

Jp4 while its own beast isent used cuz the panther overlaps and is a safer choice.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 01:56 AMLatch

AT gun was max range!?! lol 17 seconds in, you call that max range? Nice to see your biases are still stronk!

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2020, 07:47 AMSander93

Against a Katyusha (20 TS), the Panther has 100% accuracy only up to about 17 range. The range in the video is around 20, so there is a very small chance (0-10% up to 25 range) to miss.