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Thread: Making OKW Battlegroup viable8 Jun 2020, 10:57 AM Jump back to quoted post8 Jun 2020, 09:59 AMSmartie Here's my idea: Switch Luchs and FlakHt - Moving the Luchs to BG would make the tech structure instantly more attractive. In contrast to the FlakHt the Luchs can operate on its own. The FlakHt would also fit well to Mechanized because, well its a mechanized unit and it would have decent synergy with the Puma. - This change could also be done easily and would not require much work. To prevent timing issues the fuel cost of the Luchs and FlakHT should be adjusted. I just want to remind us that USF also got a tech rework, Stuart and USFlakHt were switched, so there is no reason why we can not test this at least. The combination of healing+Leig+Luchs would certainly make BG more attractive and OKW games not as stale. Right now its really boring to see the same strategy in every game because OKW players dont have a real alternative. I dont think that changes anything in 2vs2 and higher. Nobody goes mechanized for the luchs. Atm OKW relies heavily on the puma and the stuka to be competitive. The flak ht dies too fast and is therefore too much of a micro burden. You probably have to move stuka into Schwerer Panzer Headquarters and give Battlegroup Headquarters a reliable counter for light vehicles/tanks to make both tech structures equally good (more like equally bad). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Ram + Offmap combo needs to be nerfed6 Apr 2020, 11:30 AM Imo just remove the ram-ability or atleast change it into a skillshot like firefly tulips. And i think the il2-bombing strike should be able to inflict major dmg on heavy tanks and tank destroyers. Because without ram such abilities like il2 need some skill to reliable hit them and should pay off if so. Maybe the t34 tanks could get a passive ability like pgrens. So when they are near infantry they gain a small speed and/or reload bonus (nothing major). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion31 Jan 2020, 22:29 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2020, 21:19 PMKlement Pikhtura If you watched the finals you would have known that in 4 of 5 games OKW was chosen, in one Noggano rolfstomped Luvnest with cheeky USF strat and the last game... well the last game was extremely short. So in 2/4 games obers were used and in 2/2 where both players went to distance. And obers have 0 % winrate. These low sample size stat comparison is useless anyway. My point is not that obers are bad. I just think they are not an important part of the okw winning condition and therefore not the backbone of an okw lategame roster. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion31 Jan 2020, 17:34 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2020, 16:47 PMKlement Pikhtura Could you support your words with facts? I've seen a lot of obers in recent 10K$ 1v1 championship. Just open game 1 and game 2 in Nogg vs Luvnest. It is a good unit. I don't know why people are trying to pretend it is not. You are actually right. My bad. But 2/5 games seem more like situational to me. Pretty mediocre for a stock unit, which you tech always. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion31 Jan 2020, 12:37 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2020, 12:06 PMPrinceps The only thing Volks have to do in late game is to hold back anything that trys to get to your Obers. There is no need for buffing them. They are a medicore mainline inf and that's all. There strengh is about there utility. Build cover ... force others out of cover and "fausting" that moves. For OKW there much bigger problems than volks right now. - no caches - Uhu fuckt up - Medicore doctrines - 60TD Meta - lack of At - timing and arrivel of the Flakhalftrack - Sturmtiger still bad even after a buff - .... Obers? Have not seen this unit in the last 2 big tournaments. I think that speaks volume. Mediocre? They are the worst t0 nondoc infantry in the lategame. Uhu doesnt matter. Remove the unit and nothing changes. Caches? 223 and ost can do that. Td60? Jp4 and raks are hard counter. Yeah some docs are lackluster. ST is fine. Lack of at and flak ht???? In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion31 Jan 2020, 11:31 AM Can we adjust the late game performance of Volks? I think they are a little bit to weak compared to other units. My suggestion is to give them better k98 at vet5 similar to infantry sections, but this could be quite diffcult to balance. The simpler solution is to give them an acc bonus on vet 4 => now they get 40% acc from vet 0->5 like most units. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Stats from the WCS 2019 2.0 - Siphon X version20 Dec 2019, 05:51 AM Jump back to quoted post20 Dec 2019, 02:12 AMVipper That is incorrect Penal get on of the highest DPS with veterancy compared to other mainline infatry: Penal vet 3 190% DPS increase Conscripts vet 3 167% DPS increase Grenadier vet 3 149% DPS increase Riflemen vet 3 140% DPS increase VG vet 3 138% DPS increase IS vet 3 124% DPS increase (some number might be out of date but that should not affect the ratio.) You compared only the range 35 Dps from a vet 0 squad with the range 35 Dps from the same squad but with vet 3(and without any weapon upgrade)?!? Thats pretty worthless imo and doesnt prove anything. So i tried to take the average Dps from range 0 to range 35 for penals and stg volks. My results: a, a Vet 5 volks squad with stgs has 77,89% more dps than vet 0 volks with k98. b, a Vet 3 penal squad has 64,84% more dps than vet 0 penals. Note: The vet 1 penal ability got ignored. Conclusion: Volks scale slightly better than penals. If you consider the vet 1 penal passive, both units scale pretty similar probably. Seems alright, cause volks have (one of) the worst scaling weapon upgrade(s). The only nondoc mainline inf, which could scale worse than penals, are pgrens due to no (nondoc)weapon upgrade. Most other squads get a massive dps increase because of their lmg/bren/bar upgrade (grens, obers, is, rifle). So Katitof is right, penals dont scale as good as other upgraded and vetted mainline inf. But due to their excellent starting dps, their vet 1 passive and their above average acc vet, they are still able to compete in the late game. Their vet 3 dps is comparable to the vet 5 g43 pfs dps (less near dps, more long range dps). And thats pretty good imo. In: Lobby
Thread: Volks and Pfs suggestions7 Oct 2019, 12:11 PM 1. Panzerfuesilliers Imo this unit has some problems atm: - The unit is weaker than volks in the early game - Too much sight for a combat unit - They scale slower than volks - They are stronger in the late game than volks, but its not guaranteed that they beat penals and upgraded sections, they wont beat double bar rifles for sure and they are not as good as obers combatwise => You trade a weaker early game with a slightly better lategame and some utility Combatwise volks+obers are most of the time a better investment than volks/pfs+pfs+pfs/obers - Their weapon upgrade promotes blobs and a-moving (almost no moving penalty on g34) - The early faust nullifies early vehicle plays The balance team tried to make them more viable through a cost reduction in the last patch. In my opinion this is the wrong direction. There is no need for a cheaper and more potent volks squad. And for now this unit will always be compared to volks. My suggestions: Make them more like penals. A stronger unit than volks, but with a higher price and other utilities. - They start as 6 men unit - 300 -320 mp; 28 - 30 reinforce - They start with gren k98 (if my math is right, they then have slightly less close range dps than penals, but higher long range dps, can be adjusted through acc if needed) - Vet remains the same (less dmg at vet 5 compared to vet 3 penals, last man stand not included) - Faust is locked behind first tech building like volks - Build time 30-35 secs (volks 20, penals 30) They have 2 weapon upgrades now: a; 6 obers k98, locked behind two tech buildings, now they outdps penals without last man stand, but still not as good as lmg obers, 1 weapon slot remains (iam not sure how acc has to be adjusted), 80 muni, 30 secs b; 2-3 panzerbüchse (equal stats as ptrs), locked behind 1 tech building, no weapon slot remains, 60 muni, 30 secs Now okw can decide between a faster, map control orientated playstyle and a slower, fighting orientated playstyle. 2. Volksgrenadiers - Stgs are a no brainer - Stgs come too early, no allied inf can fight them at that timing - They dont scale that good => there is no tactical decision making behind choosing stgs. They are just a overal dps upgrade Suggestions: - Swap mp40 with Stgs - Stgs are 2-3 cp now - Swap vet 4 with vet 5 - Instead of vet 5 7 more sight range, volks get their k98 upgraded to obers(grens if too strong) lvl => mp40 is a obvious close range upgrade -> you have to make a decision between allround volks and close range volks, volks scale decent into vet 5 without weapon upgrades now (takes longer though cause no dps through stgs), stgs now come later and wont trash cons/sections and rifle now, stgs scale better with the performance upgrade on vet5 In: COH2 Balance
Thread: State of the Kingtiger18 Sep 2019, 19:19 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2019, 16:59 PMSander93 ...you do realise that all heavy tank AOE was recently (as in two weeks ago) completely changed? Their one shot kill radius was reduced but their health damage radius was increased, along with an increase in the chance to hit squads, so that they will deal more consistent damage to infantry instead of being RNG wipe-or-miss fests. The Tiger II got pretty much the best AOE out of those changes, as shown above, although it's only slightly ahead of the IS-2 and Pershing. Why do you insist the rate of fire is shitty? The reload is really good for the damage it does compared to most/all other vehicles. 6.25s is a really good reload. A Panzer IV has (160dmg) has 5.75s. The Pershing (160dmg) has 6.75s. The IS-2 (160dmg) has 6.65s. The Tiger has (160dmg) has 5.25s. There is absolutely no reason to think the Tiger II's reload is "shitty". It's above most other heavy tanks, only second to the Tiger I by 1s, but it deals 50% more damage per shot. The only downside to its reload is that it doesn't get a veterancy reload bonus until vet 5 while most other tanks get it at vet 3. I have to agree about this part. The Kt seems pretty good against infantry and at guns. In general i think a tank needs 3 things to perform good. a, firepower (dpm and range), b, the ability to tank (Hp and armor) and mobility. a,The firepower of the Kt vs infantry is pretty good. The range is enough to zone infantry quite effective. The range is mediocre vs tanks (in combination with the speed). The dmg is neat, doesnt really matter vs targets below 800 Hp though. The penetration is pretty bad for such a costly unit. I can understand that this gets on a problematic lvl with heat shells. His reaload is pretty good too. b, His ability to tank/soak dmg is great. The stats seem pretty good on their on (without looking at range and speed). c, This is the greatest problem. Without the speed from his vet 3 ability it cant really chase tanks down. I understand that its survivability gets balanced through this. Jackson and su85 can fight a kt pretty effective and kite him cause of the speed advantage. Ofc a tank destroyer should counter an heavy tank, but maybe the pen vet boni is too good. some other points: its easier to get a pershing tiger ace or tiger 1 than a kt. so its easier to rush this vehicles in 2vs2/ 1vs1. The king tiger would probably work better in a doc and bound to t4. My conclusion: I would nerf the dmg back to 160 or 200 and adjust his anti infantry to the current lvl and buff his penetration to ~250-270. He wont fight 640hp td anyway, so the penetration helps vs heavy tanks. Maybe buff his range to 50 and/or buff his speed. His acceleration can stay the same. At the moment i would rather go for a fast command tiger on narrow maps or a p4 into jagdtiger on maps like rails and metal. The cost and time invested to get the first kt just seems off compared to pershing, command tiger and is2. Maybe a cost reduction could work too. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzerfusiliers Need Adjustments29 Aug 2019, 08:27 AM Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 07:19 AMKatitof Volks aren't op to the point where they are getting price increase. That's literal definition of op for the cost. Sure they were a little bit too cheap. Thats why they cost 10 mp more. The problem was the starting mp. They were fielded too fast. Now both things got adressed and volks areund balanced. End of story. Meanwhile pfs cost more and perform worse. In: COH2 Balance