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One could also try to make the unit allot better vs "light vehicles" by adding an ability desing against those unit

One approach could be an ability or fire mode with lowe penetration and ROF but that slow light vehicles on penetration something inline with the USF mine.

Dedicating a (vet) ability to a single lv per game is more like a nerf imo. Assuming you replace tracking ofcourse.
I at least woudnt even consider it, if it keeps its current timing stats and cost if becomes specilized for light at.

Against ost the su76 is 100% fine imo. Against okw a bit less but nothing wrong with that.
It just arrives late, same as the m5. At the end of the lv fase. Backteching to or just teching t2 makes sure you have the siz3.

Its timing, low late game at power, fragility and easy (back)teching to zis3 make it less appealing to get.

i like the stun/slow idea. It promotes combined arms and give late game use. But it wil be an heavy rng dependant ability esp for heavy armour wich axis do not lack. I dont think it see much use. It will still limit it to lights and meds.

I think reducing cooldown for the barrage and mobility buff is what it needs next to reverting tech cost for backteching t2. Tying ptrs and at satchal to at nades will also help here.

Exactly. "People" you quote here are wrong in this case. Pios primary role lategame is repair. Ost has, in general, only pios to repair stuff. The factions ost faces have free crews (plus echelons) - USF, cheaper engineers - Soviets, more durable engineers - UKF. On top of that Soviets and UKF have many doctrine repair options - UKF with every second doctrine and Soviets have cons repair, crew repairs, repair stations. USF crews can crit repair. All the above makes ost pios much less cost effective and their repairs needing more manpower. The whole lategame manpower war becomes imbalanced if pios have to be purchased to speed repairs, sweep for mines or when they are lost. At the same time allies don't need to invest that much manpower into supporting their vehicles and can use this manpower to buy frontline units.

Ost pio's helping anything nearby by just standing there. Them being able to heal makes up for that suposed mp disparety.
They do far more then just repairing, that people choose not to use them otherwise is their mistake, and not a balance issue.

You first balance the faction without doctrines. Doctrines give you extra options.

You miss the fact that in soviets case their stock vehicles bounce almost nothing and dont have big hp pools. So having some doctrinal repair options makes sense.
For ost loosing tanks is more punishing so they get instant smoke to avoid damage all together on all their mostly more durable vehicles in lots of doctrines.
Ost dont get much repair options but they get options to avoid it. Next to bouncing more then sov and usf already.

So imo still no mp problem since ost dont need to replace as many tanks as say soviets.

You do not get the "most" utility, and if the CQC is decent, then royal engineers are due for a massive nerf.
I've avoided comparing them since I've wanted stick to EFA matchups, but when you take pios and RE and put them side by side you should instantly recognise that pios are either cost inefficient or that RE are too strong for cost.

They have nearly identical weapon profiles, but RE start out with 0.9 RA while pios are 1.0.
Pios get better offensive vet, but RE get 5th man upgrade which gives them a rough equivalent to pio vet damage increase while simultaneously increasing their durability.
RE can snare to make up for IS not having them, but in exchange IS can be upgraded with pyrotechnics which let's them spot like pios -and arguably do a better job of it.
RE vet reduces their reinforcement cost which takes a squad that is already very durable (5 man, 0.59 RA with vet) and makes them even more cost effective. And this isnt even getting into weapon upgrades.
Those 200mp pios with 25mp reinforce arent looking so good compared to 210 RE with 23mp(at vet 3) reinforce.


Now in my opinion RE may be slightly on the strong side, but not by that much. They fulfill the roles they need to adequately, and arent oppressive despite how strong on paper they can get. It's just that pios are on the weak side.

I agree that wfa armies are a different beast all together and comparing them to efa they makes efa look bad.

But people only look at the direct counterparts. And dont see faction and tech composition differences.

Both usf and ukf dont have sturm pgrens or obers or like ost a very good stopping power mg in t0. And you cant expect rifles and tommies to be good at everthing and provide everything. Sappers and rear echelon do and must help in this regard.
This imo makes sappers rear echelons mostly fine. You do need to tech bolster (get to vet 3) nades racks and buy weapons to have them at their peak combat wise.

Tommies need to buy their extra sight range. Go nack to 280 mp. But their mobile on the move blob heal needs a nerf just as the okw on the move blob heal should.

Pio have units that provide close range dps much better then they do. The get a t0 mg with the best inf control power for its price and timing. Pio,s dont need to be excelent fighters because of this. They got that extra sight to better sync with their team weapons wich ost relies on more then other factions. They can also heal them if need be.

So imo still all pio,s need is shared vet and this goes for ce,s as well.

You can't add shared vet.
Either unit has it from get go or doesn't.

Okay thats a bummer. Can they make adjust the amount gained via shared vet?

As a general change for ost Id like to see a damage reduction at t4 instead of grens vet one. It would help mitigate the power creep against 4 man squads but I don't think pios need anything else but vet looked at

I would limit it to the stock inf and not team weapons.
Inf doc 5th man should cancel it out. Would become 5.3 men squads hp wise then. 5th man is already very powerfull. This way less unecpected changes needed to balance it out.