Profile of Mr Carmine

Pioneers simply have high XP value and high reinforcement cost.

Yes their vet is the area where they should be buffed. And if possible allow them to vet after being replaced. The latter is the same for ce's.

One ignores only the lack of arguments or changed facts

I agree that the differences are small - but this is what the balance is about on this game stage development. I don't think that the game needs any dramatic changes. I guess many people also agreed that the reinforcement cost is too high for pios, they agreed/suggested that researching each battlephase might lower the pio cost (reinforcement/purchase). There were also suggestions of buffing them to account for the higher price.

Those suggestiones where supported by fewer people. You and maybe 2 others. And the facts havent changed. People choose to interpet facts in different ways.

The facts are pio,s can do more however not in pure combat but in abilities and utility wich last the game. ce's shine earlier but are less relevant late game then pio,s.

I only mentioned having the same reinforce cost because you expressed disbelief that 4-7mp difference in reinforce costs would be a big deal since "It takes seconds to gain that amount of mp".

I think that a 4-7mp reinforce cost is pretty substantial, especially since you'll be using multiples of each of these units in every match you play-and given that the units the costs are associated with are bullet pinatas due to a lack of RA vet.

i believe it evens out in the end. ce's outside of being very cost effective and adding some dps from range dont do anything for the faction ín the late game that pio's cant do. ce's combat value last longer until about mid game but thats about it.
pio's can give beneftis to just about every situation they are in except fighting them selfs througout the game.

i think 4-7 mp difference is justified. i think we have to agree to disagree here.

The fact combat merge isnt used as much later on doesnt detract from its(powerful) utility early game.
In the late game, cost saving merge like we used to see more often with guards when they were 35(?) MP to reinforce is going to be more common. Using 7 man cons to speed up reinforcing and save on costs can net you 9mp saved per squad reinforced plus a faster return to the battle field for repairs and minesweeping.
In this case the difference between reinforcing a pio or CE squad is up to 21mp and rarely do players only field a single pio or CE squad.
Even without using merge, you still have a 12mp difference in reinforce costs on a SINGLE squad, while there being no difference in durability of the models(unlike cons vs grens).
If 4-7mp per model werent a big deal then you might as well standardize all mainline infantry to 25mp reinforcement.

When you hear people talking about how going double sturmpioneers can result in heavy bleed for OKW, just consider that volks "only" cost 5 less to reinforce and have less durable models to boot. And if you dont think peniles bleed you harder than cons late game(and its noticeable) you must not have tried late game with peniles.



As for late game priorities, pios and CE might not be priorities as far as how dangerous they are, but if you want to bleed your opponent then you absolutely target them since neither gain any durability vet. The only difference is that CE can engage more effectively at safer ranges- and cost less to get back on the field.

i am not sure how i gave the empression merge is bad at any point of the game. i only said its more risky later on when tanks show up and you try to merge in combat like in the early game. 7th man reduces the likelyhood you loose the squad during merge but it can still happen.

merge is the soviet way of forward reinforcing next to the halftrack, where all other faction can build something. the soviet reinforce point needs to retreat to be able to do it again unike all other reinforce options. Yes you have the stronger squad say guards or penals or weapon team faster or longer on the field at the expense of the field presence of the conscript squad. having a reinforce building wich does not need to resuply models evens this out imo. its asymetry at its best imo.

and if you make all reinforce cost the same you should make the squad size the same. either 6 or 4 men doesnt matter you will still have models of certain squad outpreform others when they suddenly have the same models. 6 con models wont be beating 6 grens model squads any time soon. 6 penals vs 6 pgrens will result in pgrens winning far more engagements. lets make obers 6 men and put them up against guards or para,s. i know how that will turn out.
The reinforce cost is a 1 model basis. 1 gren model is better then 1 con model thats why the gren model is 30 mp and the con model 20 mp. some squads mostly 4 men squads i believe have some justified discounts or otherwise they have absurd reinforce costs. to me personaly reinforce costs are well balanced atm.

As ce's can fight from safer distances their damage is also not very high at those safer distances. pio,s if and thats a big if they can get close or flank a team weapon it needs to go packing. vs just ce's alone they can afford to take some fire.
other then gaining vet pio's and ce's are fine as is.

but they dont have antiinfantry mines, mines arent combat stuff

What are smines then? Anti air mines?