Profile of Smiling Tiger

I voted to leave as is. I don't see how it encourages "dumb a-move" battles at all. Quite the opposite, it takes a little bit of planning to take it down. I also don't think that OKW needs any nerfs.

The reason I said it encourages dumb a move strategies is because it often times negates flanking because it is usually placed on a cutoff or as a barrier between the front and the med half track and I also think that the OKW needs some help but I think that it would be better to fix some of their units like the tier 1 AA half track and Obers while balancing things like the Schwerer gun rather than just ignoring problematic units while giving out buffs.

Like what now? If you position the truck forward as was customary in the days of yore, you lose it and you lose the game with it. Its not very potent, zooks with smoke, su76s etc will kill it very quickly.

Well obviously if you place it too far forward it can be easily removed but it becomes far to powerful when placed a bit farther back and even zooks(which would cost a lot of munitions to get enough to kill a Schwerer) in smoke can be burned out with flame grenades and explosives and su 76s can be countered by a single at gun.

I wanted to get peoples opinion on this because the Schwerer Flak Trucks gun is something that I and many other people agree is over preforming.

The Guns amazing AA capabilities are very problematic because it can sometimes down planes in a matter of seconds which can often lead to game winning results because you can force your opponent to first waste hundreds of munitions and then make it dang near impossible for more air abilities because the range of the guns AA is very wide.

Whats even more important in my opinion is how this Gun can completely eliminate flanking maneuvers and it can sometimes force you to retreat a tank while chasing down a wounded panther because its penetration is high enough to pose a very real danger to many allied tanks and of course it can be an incredibly annoying camping enabler because any indirect fire units placed in the guns arc of fire are basically invulnerable to all attacks from infantry.

Now I realize that there is a lot of risk in placing this unit forward because its high cost ad tech status but unless you are playing as the British or you have howitzers this Gun is very hard to deal with.

So I think that this thing needs to be toned down because right now it eliminates a lot of strategies and encourages dumb a move battles and it simply does way to much for something that is free. So I think the solution is to either make this gun an expensive side tech or at the very least make it less effective vs tanks or planes or both.

(Also dont try to use the Bofors to justify this because one broken unit does not justify the existence of another I think the Bofors needs to be changed as well but I think the Schwerer HQ gun is more important because it requires no side tech and the faction it is in is more aggressive)

What they need to change:
- Fix the aimtime so the first shot doesn't take so long to fire.
- Replace the vet1 ability with something less OP. No penalty for stealth? Come on.
- Fix the shooting in stealth bug.

And also fix the fact that the shots from the raketenwerfer often hit the ground or cover that its hiding behind which makes the fact that it can take cover useless.

Panzerwerfer 10 rockets 85 fuel
Walking stuka 100 fuel 6 rockets

Y not hav these?



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Neither of your links are working for me so I cant tell what you suggesting but it doesn't matter because both of these units are preforming fine and they are unique from one another also there are many much more important things that need to be changed right now (or more accurately needed to be changed awhile ago but relic seems to be ok with obvious problems) than adding more unnecessary stuff.

By the way your post seems to imply that the Walking Stuka is a rip off because it has less rockets but the number of rockets is one of the last things that should be compared when looking at these two units and I would explain further but this thread isnt going anywhere anyways.