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I added a point to the medics at the same time you wrote the post. It's now included in the original post.

OKW can come by with med crate drops if they really want to rush their P4 and still get healing. USF can't.
The price correction is perfectly fine. The OKW P4 is priced according to its performance and is one of the most popular mediums due to it's very high armor (Allied mediums pen with about 15% less chance compared to OST P4).
You can't say that OKW pays "extra" for their tank if they also get a better tank for that. If we assume that medium tanks are mostly balanced against each other, we need to correct for the price difference.

IS were overperforming, no doubt, but not as 4 man squads. They get a 10 RA nerf when out of cover, they get the same stats as previously. At the early mid game, OKW usually has StG Volks. 4 man Tommies have the same effective health pool as 5 man Volks (pre patch), but Volks have higher DPS up to range 26 and better DPS drop on model loss. So UKF must do something against OKW in the mid to early game in order to keep pace with the infantry engagements.

that's bullshit if so make them cost that, do we do the same for stug and jackson ? for Churchill , comet ?

and why not correct downwards ? to soviet lvl ?

255(su)/255(usf)/215(ukf)/275(okw) (0/-20/-20/-50) basically making them cost like t 34 (Sherman 110 fu, cromwell 110 fuel, okw p4 140 fuel)

now we see that UKF even when paying for both nades and weapon still pay less that okw (bolster is not needed)and can even get bolster and stay even

USF pays 5 more fuel for better weapons and smoke nades (plus they come earlier if u want)

Soviet can get both cons upgrades and lv

this will not change that okw p4 will come later tho

and if we got to full upgraded i still think okw pays more as they pay 60 more fuel for mech and 15 the repair squad (ukf is 15 + 50 for aec/bofors and hammer/Alvin, nothing for soviet and USF 55 fuel for other officer)

this does not take in account the buff to fuel in the prview tho (5 more fuel) that came with some nasty nerf everywhere else


on what patch they deal less damage at range 26 ? volks only deal more damage from range 11 or closer vs IS when they have cover bonus

hannibal i really think u got some stats wrong (tank price and IS dps) recheck

The FU gain for each faction to rush their medium is (USF has ambulance upgrade included as they have no possibility to heal otherwise):
SOV/USF/UKF/OKW

255/275/235/310

Now the OKW tank is the best stock medium in the game, it's fair that it is better. we can adjust this by correcting for the fuel price difference, which leaves us with:

305/305/265/310

We can see that UKF can rush a medium super early, but usually they need to bolster in the early mid game since IS fall quite far behind performance wise if they don't get boosted in some way. This adds 35 and brings them up to 300.


So the performance corrected needed fuel gain between OKW and other Allied factions has a difference of 5 and 10 fuel, respectively, 45 (which is quite a lot and an equivalent of about 2 min) if UKF does not bolster. To get the full options that OKW has (weapon upgraded main line inf, nades) UKF needs to pay 325 which is fair as their bolster and weapon upgrade give them slightly better options (additional MP cost fully neglected here and down below, too).

If USF side techs, they exceed OKW, which can be almost equaled out if OKW side techs medics.


Now, there are other soft factors such as (Volk opening) OKWs early strength that allows them to get more resources relative to their opponent.
There's no reason to say that OKW pay more for their stuff.

just so u know okw p4 is a p4 with the vet 2 upgrade at vet 0 and a bit better scatter, that's it, it's actually quite expensive for what it offers , 20 more fuel for 30% more armor but no increase at vet 2 (compare with t 34 85 and t 34 76)

why did u count ambulance but no medic for okw ? are they making the meds drops like ukf one ?

why did u had the price increase ? it literally makes no sense, i mean did u make an arbitrary value to increase the value of the tank ? u know sherman is one of the most efficient and best tank in the game right ?

no IS work perfectly fine without bolster, they can get by with just the weapons and nades (that's the reason they are getting "nerfed" this patch)

So you spent this whole time arguing against nothing? That makes tons of sense

Your "tests" were nonsense, you compared them to rifleman, do we need to go over side techs again for you

Can you just agree to disagree? And stop talking about me? I dont see what the problem is...

i compared them to cons , rifle and green i know u don't care but at least get thing right

Who gets a 6th commander ability and who doesnt?

We can go back and forth all day if we keep listening to your off-topic ramblings, personally i have no interest in that

crews,pop cap,etc ? yes we can go back and forth all day, u only cherry pick what u want as always

btw to bring out KT u must be really desperate

Uh its still true for mechanized too bud

Rifleman upgrades + first full tier = 85 fuel (15+15+35+20)

Mechanized tier + truck = 75 fuel (15+45+15 form the starting fuel missing)

fixed it for ya

btw who gets smoke and double equip and who doesn't ?