So you can't stop acting like a child...
You really just don't understand the difference do you? No matter how many different people explain it to you it goes right over your head
ok ok would it be different if we removed the nades and weapon upgrades and have them unlock both after a tier and then increase the cost the officers by 15 fuel and 70 mp ? |
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wait wait u forgot the centaur rush (even cheaper than ostwind rush)
and were did u get the conversion ? Even doc ability like fuel drop cost a lot and require a risky position to convert mp to fuel
and really ? ostwind rush has access to only pgreen pioneer and mg 42 JUST THIS 3 UNITS, a centaur rush has access to IS, vicker,RE, bren, sniper, mortar emplacement, and at gun u can easily tell who gets the easier time in case of a rush
do tell me to what is bren IS and sniper gonna lose as they don0't have snare LV or gren
if ukf rush centaur and ostehr rush ostwind ukf wins hands down as the centaur even counter the ostwind |
No one is saying that, can you stop acting like a child? Going on freakouts like this doesn't help your argument, the opposite actually
I just explained to you, the entire time we're talking about squads specifically. This isn't about a race to finish teching, its squad to squad cost
Not about "okw gets free upgrades". Its about spending mp and fuel on tech that unlocks nothing BUT upgrades, which Fussies don't have to do. This matters if you're gonna compare them to Rifleman cost...
this is the
meme
do u want to pay 15 fuel and then 5 for shipping or 20 fuel and free shipping  |
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hey guys what if SU started with a cons and an eng squad ? or what if first cons squad was free of mp ? would it bee too op ? |
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Not in fuel (although as I said they have a bit more early game income due to map control), Allies pay a bit more in MP for the combo of 4 line infantry (USF 3 plus free officer), 1 engineer, medic and fast tech up to medium.
yes u right okw is still a bit behind in fuel
and yes they do pay a bit more mp, but they are better unit too, rifle are equal at long range and beat volks at mid and close, IS beat vloks at mid and long but tend to lose at close
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My misread then, sorry.
We're going in circles here.
So (aside from SOV) we have the same numbers (From what I got, aren't SOV 10+20+85+90+25(side tech)?). But well, that does not make much of a difference after all.
Now, can we finally agree that OKW does not pay extra, but basically the same as other factions?
THAT WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SAY FOR 2 YEARS, OKW DOES NOT GET FREE UPGRADES, THE UPGRADES ARE IN THE TECH TREE COST
I HAVE HEARD ENOUGH OF PEOPLE SAYING " UHHE b-b-but OPKW gets freeeeeeee barsssssss and nadesssssss !!!!1111!!!"
to further add the only thing OKW get for "free" are 1 flak AA at tier 4, a more durable reinforce bunker with tier 1 and the access to KT, other faction get similar perks usf has "free" officer and vehicle crews, ukf has 25 pounders and 17 pounder etc
btw, no Soviet upgrade cost have been reduced since last year they pay 10+20+20+85+90
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Please read the post, this is fuel gain for FULL tech. The rest of the discussion is very tedious, as OKW also gets stuff that other factions don't. No use in arguing with you about that, as you won't hear since you pull out those "arguments" quite often.
To the Puma: I specifically said that this is not a tank rush scenario in literally the SAME sentence.
And how I get "all" the numbers wrong:
Nice one mate. First, you only corrected one value, that's obviously "all numbers". But at least good catch, the fact that I mistyped one letter makes all the difference in the argument. Please also respond to the rest of the stuff that you ignored now multiple times.
I do see that you're getting a lot of contra here and in some cases even in my eyes not deserved, but that is no reason to sabotage an otherwise mostly okay discussion. Please come back to a normal discussion culture.
by " u all " i mean u all guys got the numbers wrongs, not that u got ALL the number wrong
yes they do pay for the extra tech i counted that, but not in the fast medium scenario im sorry if u or i misunderstood what i or u meant
and even then the number are wrong
full tech is
SOV/USF/OKW/UKF
225(-20)/270(-20)/265(-5)/270(-20)
so now can people stop saying "okw get free upgrades" if in the end if we rush medium or get the full tech they pay equal or slightly more than other factions ? |
08/19 Tech cost:
OKW:
340/5 (300)
Trucks: 100/15
Deployment: 200/25-45-120
Medic/Engineer: 100/15
1 Truck, 1 upgrade, Flak:
700mp 190/210f (-5f)
2 trucks:
1000mp/250f
With both upgrades:
1100mp/265f
USF
400/20 (200)
Upgrades: 150/15
Medic: 250/10 (2/3 popcap)
Officers: 200/35
Upgrade: 50/20
Major: 190/120
Weapon, nade, ambulance, 1 officer full, major:
990mp/215f (-20f)
Including both MG and AT gun:
1190mp/250f
Full roster:
1240mp/270f
SU:
390/20 (170)
Medics: 250
AT nade/Molotov: 80/10 - 125/10
T1: 160/10
T2: 160/20
T3: 240/85
T4: 240/90
Medics, T1, T3, T4:
890mp/185f (-20f)
T2 with conscripts upgrades:
1095/215f
Full tech:
1255/225f
OH:
420/20 (200)
T1: 80/10
BP1: 100/40
T2: 200/20
BP2: 200/90
T3: 140/15
BP3: 100/25
T4: 100/25
Medic: 150/0/60 (muni)
Medic, T3 (Ostwind rush):
590/145 (-20f) (+60mu)
With T1:
670/155
With T1+T2:
870/175
T1 + T2 + T4:
930/210
Full:
1070/235
UKF
340/20 (280)
Bolster: 150/35
Weapon: 150/15
Nades: 100/10
Platoon: 180/30
Side tech unit: 100/15
Company: 280/115
Anvil/Hammer: 200/50
Medics: 30mu x1 or 200mp/60mu
can i ask why u count the healing of the advanced point INSTEAD of the AREA HEALING ON MAIN LINE ?
it's only fair u do the centaur rush too
Platoon + Company + healing:
460/145
Bolster, nade, Platoon, side tech (or weapon), Company, healing:
810-860/205 (-20f) (+60muni)
Anvil or Hammer:
1010-1060/255
Full:
1160/270
Full + non meta healing:
1360/270 (+60muni)
made some fix, if don't like okw i can understand but there is no reason to make it seems that they pay less fuel for propaganda |
08/19 Tech cost:
PD: Notice how i didn't discount cost for starting fuel? It's only fair to discount if you also take into account manpower difference with starting unit into account.
If SU is the lowest faction denominator then:
Su: 560mp
USF: +40
OH/UKF: +60
OKW: +80 leaving aside all the wrong number like okw
u are free to count starting unit mp cost in it i don't believe a 80mp at max advantage is equal to -15 fuel |
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