How many Centaur rushes have you seen on which UKF skips bolster + nades and or weapons to get a Centaur midgame while also skipping the AEC as opposed to either of the 2 builds i mentioned as OH?
IF AT Boys IS were a thing should i would had consider mentioning it.
My point in the subject is that they probably needs some cost adjustment and from what i read in the patchnotes they will probably get one. So if something is gonna be done, i'll rather wait first and see what they plan to do.
u have at guns and RE with snare tho, tell me how it's worse than no snare and only sherck
oh then we agree unlike most people here saying they are price fairly for their current performance
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So now the cost of my tiers changes depending on what I buy first? Captain might be 35 fu, unless I buy LT first in which case he becomes 50? Does he go back down to 35 if I complete LT? Dont bother answering, cause this is ridiculous
To answer your original question: Yes. That would be very different from the current system.......
ok seems like u are being a thick head for no reason here copy pasted from okw:
after first officer unlock, which will give u normal nades for "free", u have to buy a 15 fuel 100 mp "trickle down tax" if u want to go further with the tier, then after second unlock u will get all the other upgrades and either a nerfed bar or a bar limited to 1, then before u can buy major u will have to pay another 100-150 mp and 15 fuel "tax exemptions for the 1%" that will allow to be able to buy major as normal
with this u can now say rifle don't have to pay for upgrades right ? like pfusi and volks |
Adding 15 to officers? As I said 50 for MG and an officer is absurd
u got liut for normal 35 fuel, u now have acces to normal nades, the second unlock (be it LV or other cap) will cost 15 more fuel and 100-150 mp and u will get smoke bar and zook, then major will cost the remaining cost of the upgrades
please read carefully
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Deathloop makes the 6 men meaningless pretty often
Why does cone increase=less suppression? No thanks, ill take both. I'm already proposing increasing its cost, and currently its already underpeforming for cost
If you can make the maxim teleport ill also take 4 men in a heartbeat. According to relic it cant be done
no need to increase the cost, too much and we will have problem, just increasing suppression while making set up same as other mg should be enough
it has 90 degrees (other MGs have 90-120 degrees)
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Don't forget flak bunkers in base  Those things and USF extra MG bunkers should had been removed several years ago (even if the USF base design is bad overall)
The problem is not how much you end up paying overall throughout the game, it's WHEN AND HOW you are paying for those things. Timing. What you are sacrificing for it.
Ex: USF ends up scaling way beyond if they manage to get their upgrades going on, vetting, teching, etc.
The problem atm is that you will get bully out early on before you can either leverage your upgrades or the free officer. That free officer which is a Rifle with 1 Thompson that takes eons to get build while you try to somehow maintain map control with 3 Rifles + RE vs 4 Volks + SP. There's also healing. Yeah, it's effective on the long run to have a "free" use healing, but early on you can't afford an ambulance and without upgrades you can't really expend munitions.
MP wise, check what slows down each faction. Another ex: if OH and SU specially, had the same base construction as WFA + UKF, they would be beyond OP. Specially Penal opening.
Just to summarise. Complaining about "FREE UPGRADES" is just as stupid as not considering how they get those upgrades an advantage.
And the most stupid mistake is considering things in isolation.
first wait wait u forgot the centaur rush (even cheaper than ostwind rush)
and were did u get the conversion ? Even doc ability like fuel drop cost a lot and require a risky position to convert mp to fuel
and really ? ostwind rush has access to only pgreen pioneer and mg 42 JUST THIS 3 UNITS, a centaur rush has access to IS, vicker,RE, bren, sniper, mortar emplacement, and at gun u can easily tell who gets the easier time in case of a rush
do tell me to what is bren IS and sniper gonna lose as they don0't have snare LV or gren
if ukf rush centaur and ostehr rush ostwind ukf wins hands down as the centaur even counter the ostwind
now i don't know how u can get 4 volks (1000) mp way before 4 rifle (1120)
but volks are okw is having that problem resolved with the patch preview (although i don't agree the direction of the changes, i preferred a nerf to volks performance and stg and even less starting mp)
and i do agree that taking in contest is important
but then why this logic is not applied to pfusi ? |
Where exactly are you putting the costs. WTF does "early and late" mean for distributing tech costs? Say the tier, and the number
alredy did |
You wanna increase the cone too? .50 and dshk are only other mgs with same cone or smaller, and they already setup way faster than maxim. You increase the setup time any more, that cone should get buffed too
Price increase included
cone can stay the same it still has 6 men and fast tear down time , if u want to increase the cone then u get less suppression tho |
It already costs 280mp, anymore and it'll be worst performing, most expensive stock hmg.
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So now im waiting til major for BARs? What on earth are you on about, I have no clue what you're going for here
You want fusi upgrades behind flak HQ? That what you're trying to say?
u miss understood, u get nade at first unlock, then u get bar at second unlock, the price is divided in late and early tho exmaple: u got liut for normal 35 fuel, u now have acces to normal nades, the second unlock (be it LV or other chap) will cost 15 more fuel and 100-150 mp and u will get smoke bar and zook, then major will cost the remaining cost of the upgrades
obv u will lose the ability to double equip bar (zook u still can) or nerf the bar in some way
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Yeah there might be a slight problem with paying 50 fuel just to unlock an MG and a "free" rifle squad....
They used to pay 50 fuel for all of LT tier, now you want them paying 50 for just LT and .50 cal? Are you on crack?
ok then add the cost to somewhere else it gotta be early and late, so to major and second unlock ? |
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