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Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback3 May 2021, 12:38 PM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 12:30 PMleithianz They perform almost same to the RM with higher reinforce cost & no snare according to this(https://youtu.be/C75_nvhL_e8?t=841). TBH, I don't think I'll play 1v1 with UKF after this patch either. 1) reinforcement cost is a "bug" and it going down 2) Those are Double Vicker-K RS and of course they will perform similar to double BAR riflemen. They stat are changed to match those of riflemen. Double Bren Raid sections (or 1+1) would had won that test. My point is that UKF already have access to LMG and the changes make them perform like LMG RM. Vet 3 double Bren Raid section probably beat LMG grenadier at all range possible double Vicker-K beat lmg grenadier at all range also and they can still use a combination of these weapon. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback3 May 2021, 12:35 PM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 11:44 AMKatitof Indeed a great bonus for TWO weak guns, exclusively at CQC, exclusively in cover, compared to accuracy bonuses for ALL weapons, picked up included, all other engineers have. You're clowning hard now, this is completely meaningless for your tripple LMG long range scenario and sounds good exclusively on paper. Since you insist down the same path and continue to posting only in an attempt to prove me wrong I have little option left but to shown how many things you gotten wrong so far: Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 08:44 AMKatitof ... it falls short badly against vetted inf. Proven completely wrong Vet RO.E where able to beat Vet grenadier/Vg with easy Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 10:32 AMKatitof ...Their damage scaling is EXCLUSIVELY upgrades. .. Proven wrong since Ro.E get around 23% more DPS when in cover at vet 1 Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 10:56 AMKatitof ... despite high values, its very minor and insignificant increase compared even to 15% accuracy of pios/CEs. First error Pios/CE get 20% accuracy at vet 2 not 15 and 23% more DPS at vet 1 in ot "very minor and insignificant increase" to 15% accuracy it even more than the correct 20%. I also need to point out to you that Pioneer/CE do not get rack weapons, they get the flamer upgrade instead that does not benefit that much from accuracy. Now it is pretty obvious that if there is someone that is "naive" and a "clown" that is actually you. Contrary to your little theory about Ro.E not a geting accuracy bonus "and falling sort badly" the fact remains that Ro.E. can fight and even beat axis mainline infantry once vetted/upgraded. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback3 May 2021, 11:55 AM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 11:46 AMHannibal The discussion was about 2xBren heavy sappers. They only have two squads and are a long range squad, so the vet1 bonus will not contribute much. Yes, once upgraded with long range weapon the bonus is not that great. On the other hand it available at vet 1 where the majority of infatry do not get any combat bonus and get more combat bonuses at vet 3. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback3 May 2021, 11:34 AM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 11:05 AMHannibal At vet 3 yes. At vet2 they are fairly average. That's why I said it is probably best to use the once that vetted early while rebuilding one late game does not give a big benefit over an IS that already performs better at vet2. If it is for sten only then it is indeed only a small short range increase. It does not change the fact that the unit still is a decent combat squad, especially for 6 pop. If my calculation are correct the bonus is around 23%-24% more DPS at all ranges so is not "that" small while being available from vet 1. Any issue has more to do with the restriction to cover than the bonus itself. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback3 May 2021, 10:50 AM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 10:46 AMHannibal Double Bren heavy engies do perform decently in combat, although they are exceptionally munitions heavy, but then so are IS. How they scale does not matter that much. Saying they do not get accuracy with vet is misleading because they do get combat bonusses when in cover (however not 100% if on Sten only or if it also works for other weapons). I think if you manage to vet your engies early, they are a decent pick to make them a fighting unit. Building a fresh one in the late game for that purpose is what is not working. One has also to keep in mind that R.o. get received accuracy (-33% received accuracy, Target size vet3: 0.59 )/reinforcement bonus that are combat bonuses and Heavy sapper get armor on top of that. Once reaching vet 3 heavy sappers are one of the most durable squad in game. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback3 May 2021, 10:43 AM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 10:32 AMKatitof And it doesn't change a single thing about that I've said. Yes it does. It proves this claim: "it falls short badly against vetted inf." to be false since Ro.E easily and clearly beat vetted VG/GRen Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 10:32 AMKatitof Which is, again: They are the ONLY unit in game with ZERO accuracy vet. Never claimed that they get any accuracy as vet bonus so there is not point in repeating it. Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 10:32 AMKatitof Their damage scaling is EXCLUSIVELY upgrades. That is simply false: -70% cooldown in the cover. +50% reload speed in the cover. They do get damage scaling with vet for their sten when in cover. Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 10:32 AMKatitof You're getting worked up to prove me wrong on an argument I never made, clown. I do not worked up and I have proved you wrong Ro.e beat vetted infatry. Ro.E do get combat bonuses regardless if they get accuracy or not and they can fight effectively especial in late game if one invest in giving them weapons. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback3 May 2021, 10:36 AM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 09:43 AMSander93 The max range DPS difference for double Bren Raid Section vs M1919 + BAR Riflemen is negligible (18,9 vs 17,9) while being significantly worse at close to mid range in case they get overrun. In other words, it wouldn't be an issue. Most infatry can not over run double Bren Raid Section (or M1919 + BAR Riflemen) or even if they can they will sustain casualties while the RS will simply retreat. RS even have incendiary grenades to stall approaching infatry. Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 09:43 AMSander93 And I highly doubt anyone would use it anyway, because double Bren IS would be way better at mid to far range and the difference between the Lee Enfields at close range becomes negligible too, given how those models are the first to drop. 1 Bren and 1 Vickers combos might work, copying M1919 + BAR on Riflemen, but it'd be slightly worse. So it won't be an issue. And my point stand. UKF are not getting simply riflemen, they are getting all the available combo that m1919/BAR gives to USF. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback3 May 2021, 10:29 AM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 09:08 AMKatitof Pls provide evidence to back your claims that its otherwise. You're the one who made that claim. 1) Actually you are the one that made the claim that Ro.E are bad vs vetted infatry not me so you are the one that should back it up.: Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 08:44 AMKatitof Inb4 someone actually is naive enough to believe that royal engineers are actually good if you put weapons on them other then PIATs, lets remember that REs are the ONLY infantry in the whole game who do NOT get ANY accuracy vet. Their firepower does not scale, its ALL about the weapon itself and it falls short badly against vetted inf. 2) I have actually provided you with such test result in previews post. Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 09:08 AMKatitof Prove it first before asking proofs of others, excel sheet hero. Since you insist and I guess it too much for you to install the game and do the test here it: Heavy sapper 2 bren vet 3 vs Vet 3 lmg grenadier win 5/0 Heavy sapper 2 bren vet 3 vs Vet 5 VG 5/0 lossing a single model. Now feel free to provide your proof that vetted Ro.E with weapons "falls short badly against vetted inf", " Mr. twitch general". In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback3 May 2021, 09:12 AM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 09:06 AMJPA32 Splitting weapon upgrades is bad* if I can correct my wording. Of course you can correct your wording, this is about communicating and not "scoring" victories in flame wars. Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 09:06 AMJPA32 So these all focus change the intent of a unit enough by virtue of their weapon upgrades providing the squad enough firepower at their new effective range to be useful rather than choosing a close and long range weapon upgrade. Everything else was semantics, intentional hyper specific scenarios that don't apply to most general game situations or pointless to respond too. BAR-K does that for IS while Bren does that for Raid sections. BAR-K IS are good mid range without having to vet like riflemen, while double Bren Raid section are better than LMG lifmen at long range for 20 munition more. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Commander Update Beta 2021 - British Feedback3 May 2021, 08:57 AM Jump back to quoted post3 May 2021, 08:44 AMKatitof Inb4 someone actually is naive enough to believe that royal engineers are actually good if you put weapons on them other then PIATs, lets remember that REs are the ONLY infantry in the whole game who do NOT get ANY accuracy vet. Their firepower does not scale, its ALL about the weapon itself and it falls short badly against vetted inf. PLS provide evidence to back up your claims that vetted heavy sapper with LMGs are performing up vs vetted LMG grenadier/ST44 VG. In: COH2 Balance