Profile of Mad_Hatter

The problem I have with the early game atm:

German player: You need a combination of MG42 and supporting Grens. Those need to be all in one area to support each other. If shocks flank you, you need to retreat everything. This can even happen when running frontally into the MG42. Just pop smoke and throw in the Russian blob.

Soviet player: Choose a doctrine with PPSH + Shocks --> left klick + right klick --> profit

Russians just run around capping the map. PPSHs can all shoot while running which is imo the biggest advantage.

This is down right hilarious because German players cry that for 5-10 minutes they need to go with a "combined arms" approach in order to have supporting units around to deal with the games most expensive infantry unit. Yet as soon as tanks hit the field soviets have to do the exact same thing but versus tanks that aren't even the most extra expensive one yet then Germans take the l2p approach.

Just to spell it out for you mid/late game:

Soviets: need to have a combination of zis guns, consrcipts, su85s, t34s, and mines to support each other. These need to all be in the same area to support each other. If a panther (or tiger) flanks you you have to retreat out often losing a lot of units because they can't just retreat in god mode like infantry. The German player can do this frontally just by blowing smoke canisters, or using the vin diesel nos button

German: pick doctrine with tiger (luckily everyone gets panthers) --> left click --> right click --> profit

So realistically what's "worse" ... Being forced to play well for tgr first 5 or 10 minutes or the rest of the game? Personally I prefer the challenge later which is why I prefer soviets

Assault Grenades are weak and available on one unit of one doctrine, bundle grenades are good but expensive and no better than a guard grenade, flame pios are glass cannons, I already mentioned rifle 'nades inability to do shit against fortifications. You have to go all out to dislodge this trench, change up your build order, spend big where you would have saved.

Or, you could just waltz up with your basic infantry and toss a retreat button at the defending squad in the trench. Guarantee by the time they evacuate, they don't be in fighting condition anymore.

Bundle nades not better than shock nades ... Are you kidding me?? Bundle nades are much more effective (especially at clearing buildings where the longer fuse isn't a problem).

Also soviets can clear bunkers, but not easily. It takes precious precious time which is a killer in coh2 making bunkers way too good at area denial. Regular mortar does low damage to it, 120mm can't hit the broad side of a barn but when it does it hits hard, forcing into penals isn't an option especially if you have shocks, so that leaves the zis (which does a great job at it if you can protect it).

Personally if they're going to keep bunkers one side only then I'd like to see an accuracy increase for soviet mortars when firing at buildings that are being spotted by another unit (aka no fog of war) maybe a relatively small increase like up to or slightly above the accuracy of a German tube. This would make mortars more viable for bunker busting without making them op in regular play.

Instead of nerfing the German ht has any thot been given to letting the m5 come out of the t2 building instead of t3 giving sovs an option to reinforce on the field earlier negating some of the benefits of the axis ht?

Right now if sovs want to have the ability to reinforce on the field they are forced into t3 which with the current state of the game isn't viable late since t34s can only dream of taking on tigers.

Just some food for thought

Instead of hostile arguments, let's try and analyse this.

If the Ostheer player goes tier 2 to tier 4 then into a Panther without expending fuel on units, his total costs for doing so (tech cost + cost of Panther) is 1480 MP, 275 Fuel. This assumes that the Ostheer player buys the Tier 2 building.

If the Soviet player goes tier 1 into tier 4 then into an SU-85, his total costs for doing so, without expending fuel on other units (tech cost + cost of SU85) is 795 MP, 245 Fuel.

This means the Ostheer player has expended 685 more MP and 30 more fuel over the Soviet to get his Panther out. A 700 manpower window for the Soviets is ample time to secure either fuel advantage or further their manpower advantage over the Ostheer. Given that the Soviet will generally have one or 2 snipers out from tier 1, the manpower advantage starts to widen even further.

Think about that for a while.

This analysis shows nothing ... Yes a quick tech sov build is cheaper than a slow tech ost build. So you think a sov player is going to hold out without hmgs, mortars, zis, or expensive infantry call ins, etc but will be able to fight off German t2 (without Molotov and at nades mind you)? And will then be able to turn the tide with a single su85 with no support? He may have a chance if the panther driver hits a tree cause he's too busy laughing at the su85 as he circle strafes it as the cons wave at it since they don't have at nades

The factions in this game were designed in this way.
Soviet rely on very potent call in units while Germans have solid base of core units while their call ins are more utility based. You don't need fancy off map units because what you can build from your base is more than enough to do the job! Every Soviet call in can be countered by them. Maybe it won't be a hard counter but it wouldn't be trying to take out a tank with a stick.


Seriously I have been playing nothing but Germans since the recent patch and the amount of bias you get these days is just enormous. Why don't you guys just stop play 3v3 all the time and try to play 1v1 instead and get some skill?
When I read statements like: "Tigers are worthless", "No point of getting a Panther, they're useless", "Brummbar is crap" it just buggers my mind.

Recent Shock cry when you only need a correctly used MG42 to control them and deny their presence is a great example. I mean it was hard to adapt at the beginning but after a while it turns out it's possible and I can see more and more people on this forum saying they don't have problems with Shocks anymore. Maybe it's not the game but something you do?
And in the end if you really can't beat anyone and everything else failed then just use the bloody Tiger Ace or Soviet Industry and just exploit them (this is a rubbish advice, I know, please don't do it).

+1

And whoever said the tiger is garbage must be doing something wrong. It is probably the single all around strongest call in in the game when looking at cost vs surviveability, and DMG both at and ai (I'm not counting the tiger ace because it shouldn't exist)