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Thread: Aftermath Update Impressions Thread19 Feb 2014, 05:28 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2014, 03:23 AMwayward516 just kind of hoping they'd been changed and I'd missed it somehow. That's all. Seems a bit weird that Guards Rifle and the DSHk got pushed back, and Assault Grens didn't. That would have a semblance of balance but relic and the majority of the community don't want that. Their idea of balance is everything german must have an edge to further breed bad players ... Makes beating it that much more fun In: Lobby
Thread: 7CP 2x T34/85 and 9CP 1x T34/8519 Feb 2014, 02:05 AM Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2014, 01:31 AMspaz People keep alluding to it, but lets put some numbers out there: Assuming that a german player is at tier 2 and wants to get a P4: Escalate to battle phase 2: 200 mp/35 fuel Build Tier 3: 160 mp/ 25 fuel P4: 320 mp/ 115 fuel total: 680 mp / 175 fuel Panther: Escalate to battle phase 2: 200 mp/35 fuel Escalate to battle phase 3: 200 mp/50 fuel Build Tier 4: 160 mp / 30 fuel Panther: 600 mp / 145 fuel Total: 1160 mp / 260 fuel T34/85: no tech pray that you survive call in: 360 mp, 130 fuel So in conclusion: a single p4 costs an additional +320 mp / +45 fuel and a panther is an additional +800mp/+130 fuel. If you wanted to compare 2 T34/85s to 2 P4s, then the P4's would still be an additional +280mp/+30 fuel. More important than the costs is that this call in lets you go T4, while still having a relatively affordable option of getting T34s to supplement your SU-85s. I havent played enough with this doctrine to make a final call on it yet, but I am liking it so far. This was most certainly the case for the t34/85 at 7 cup. As I said before the tank was in a unique position in that it did not require teching. Now however I think it will require that as I doubt a sov player can hold out to 9cp without any armor so you almost need to compare the tank coat wise only to the German tanks (p4 or panther) not to the tanks + tech. I don't think the t34/85 should be compared to other callins (kv8 is2 kv1) as it acts more like a standard (mainstay) tank. The cost at 7cp should be high as it prevents the tech need but at 9 it should be lower imo (more in line with p4) as you still pay the tech cost. I feel like I'm repeating myself a lot :/ But again IMO the call in t34/85 should be gotten rid of and the gun upgrade made researchable to everyone like the Sherman was. Or maybe replace the t34/85 callin with the su100 (I think thats what the soviet mother of all tank destroyer's was called). Have it cost something like 25% more than the su85, be on the same platform, same range, but better DMG and pen. I think that would give good synergy with soviet t3 much like the kv8 trees give good synergy with so t4. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 7CP 2x T34/85 and 9CP 1x T34/8518 Feb 2014, 23:27 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2014, 23:14 PMNeo I know you have a responsibility to live up to your name but let's not get carried away. hug A Panther costs 520MP and 145 fuel, a single T34/85 costs 360MP and 130 fuel. The Panther is also a Tier4 unit, so the first Panther costs VASTLY more than the first T34/85. Ram is a useful ability on any tank, regardless of the price - when your tank is about to die, you have a chance to disable or even kill the enemy's tank (often a much more expensive one) thus turning the engagement and possibly the whole game in your favour. I do what I can neo I agree a death ram is worth it, but I don't think I'd throw a full hp t34/85 into a tiger or panther to try and disable it like I would a more disposable t34/76. Edit: I look more at fuel than mp costs when comparing tank costs and 13o isn't far off from 145. Yes manpower cost does play into it, but even if you're losing the map control game you'll have manpower to throw at it whereas you may not have fuel. That's part of the reason why I still dislike the new tiger ace since its the only tank callin in coh2 that followed the vcoh model and it doesn't seem balanced. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 7CP 2x T34/85 and 9CP 1x T34/8518 Feb 2014, 23:13 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2014, 23:11 PMIpKaiFung completely wrong Alrighty ... Then I'll side with neo. Dual t34/85 callin commanders usage will probably go waaaaaaay down. Edit: I think both single and double call ins will be underused. Who is going to call in medium tanks at the same cp as heavy tanks. And for the cost I'll take a kv8 any day to compliment my su85s. I think the t34/85s served a unique roll in that it actually did allow a soviet player to not build t3 or t4 and just rely on callins (they came in early enough to allow that and were decent enough to last lategame). That roll now is gone in my mind. Just remove the callin and allow an upgun upgrade for the t34/76 to be researched just lime the shermans had in vcoh. Replace callin with something (maybe kv1 or some heavy callin like is2). Problem solved. The unit gets into coh in a usable faction and some more variety is added. Everyone is happy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 7CP 2x T34/85 and 9CP 1x T34/8518 Feb 2014, 23:08 PM People keep discussing dbl vs single callin ... The way I understand this the new commander containes the patched version of the t34/85 callin meaning that in the future they will all be single callins? Or am I completely wrong? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 7CP 2x T34/85 and 9CP 1x T34/8518 Feb 2014, 23:06 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2014, 22:48 PMTristan44 It can also ram and disable (percentage) any heavy tank... You're going to use a crazy expensive t34/85 to ram a tiger and hope that you happen to get lucky and disable it? You're going to suicide a tank that cost essentially the same as a panther? Wow In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 7CP 2x T34/85 and 9CP 1x T34/8518 Feb 2014, 22:14 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2014, 19:55 PMShazz Finally someone in this thread that gets it. T34/85 is the best all rounder tank in the game at the moment. Now it will be able to be paired with soviet T4 without impossibly high fuel costs. I see this commander being very attractive in 1v1 or 2v2. Maybe even too attractive. Time will tell once all the changes hit. EDIT: Typo. The tiger easily trumps the t34/85 as all around best tank. Hell a tiger tank was arguably better than even 2 t34/85s. Why would I call in one of these overpriced PoSs now that I'm already being forced to tech into either t3 or t4? Its not good enough AI to protect su85s from infantry and its not good enough AT to keep t34/76s safe from the big kitties especially not at its cost. If I'm looking for a callin AI tank support for my su85 I may as well go a tree that has a kv8 (seeing as how they come in at the same time now too lolol). If you're going to go this route then just let the tree unlock an upgun option for the t34/76 at 9 cps that only costs munitions so that you don't have to spend a million fuel on a paper tank with a slightly bigger peashooter In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 7CP 2x T34/85 and 9CP 1x T34/8518 Feb 2014, 15:03 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2014, 14:46 PMSarantini What? Guards/snipers into t3485 was extremely popular. You could get 2 t3485 (who arent bad at all) the same time as the german had a 1 p4 and not enough fuel for another. It made teching irrelevant It was popular yes but not because the t34/85 was awesome but simply because the tree have you a callin at 7cp plus mark vehicle. The t34/85 itself is meh at best which is why it made sense to hsve it come in early. A 7cp is2 would be op. But honestly 9cp t34/85 (at a cost increase) is a bad move imo. If they wwre going to do thst they should have strapped a 105mm gun on it instead and make it worth it In: COH2 Balance
Thread: 7CP 2x T34/85 and 9CP 1x T34/8518 Feb 2014, 14:41 PM IMO they once again completely neutered a soviet unit that didnt need it. The t34/85 was a meh callin to begin with. An anti tank tank that can't come close to going toe to toe with the big cats (hell it struggles vs p4) for about the same price is a joke. The only benefit it had is that you could get them before the big cats hit the field but that's out the window now. GG once more relic to making pointless changes to ensure continued axis superiority through all stages of the game. Well balanced indeed. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: AAA options that are not T3?18 Feb 2014, 01:01 AM Jump back to quoted post17 Feb 2014, 23:34 PMKatitof Were you pin plane spammed even once? That alone is a reason to get AA. Leaving scout planes doing their job isn't too healthy either on the long run. I was making fun of sturmtigerneffarion who stated that Germans don't have planes ... Yes I have been pin plane spammed, and dive bombed over and over, etc ... Its why I usually go t3 with a few quads in 4v4s. They end up really paying off In: COH2 Balance