Profile of JHeartless

Thats not how i undersrood it. Do you have a source. All i heard him mention is in practice they are about the same and top hunners are abysmally low.

PTRS has a chance of one-shotting a model (not a high chance, its about 5%?) and also makes the squad jump around if they miss (they toned this down a bit, it used to make them jump for days on end).

@JHeartless: Why do you feel that the Guards munitions are a problem? Considering those abilities, when spammed, allow the squad to take on pretty much the entire German arsenal of T1 and T2 (minus an MG42 with a spotter) is pretty amazing.

Let's just compare the unit to the Panzergrenadier:

-same MP cost
-same armor and hp per soldier
-6 Guards vs 4 Pgrens
-lower reinforce cost per soldier
-same nade with same cost

-default guard AI much weaker than default Pgren but has AT
-upgraded guard (60muni) AI weaker than default Pgren but has AT and CC for vehicles
-default guard AT weaker than upgraded Pgrens (120muni) and has slightly weaker AI
-upgraded guard (60muni) AT weaker than upgraded Pgrens (120muni) but has slightly better AI

Considering how you can't unequip your shreks after you buy them, I don't see how the German equivalent is light years ahead of Guards, especially considering Germans have to spend more ammo to even have AT on the squad and also more ammo spending overall as a faction (ie, losing out on opportunity cost - medic station even costs ammo).

Note that pretty much all the Guard doctrines have Mark Target - any more damage from their PTRS's can result in some serious bullshit.

Becaue as slub said they are the only elite infantry thats meh..

Yes they can survive longer than pgrens. No they are not at all like rangers lol. They arent AT they are anti vehicle. Also rangers had better AI.

Having 6 models with 1.5 armor is good but it adds nothing to their combat effectivness as the last two are always the ptrs gunners. The least relic could have done was make the ptrs kill infantry well since it does 0 to real tanks.

Combat wise they truly are just vanilla grens. Thats pretty weak for 360 MP plus 145 plus muni. This is assuming you buttoned once threw one nade and got dp lmg. Then add to this mark vehicle and you just burned through a ton of muni.

On the dp lmg having better AI than pgrend with shreks. This is true only if they are in a garrison. Otherwise they roll around and do PT rather than aiming thier dp lmg half the time.

I would honestly prefer PTRS as a paid upgrade so they could put out slightly less AI than LMG 42 Grens by default. If there are no light vehicles Guards are just a manpower sink tbh. Its all about cost to performance to me and with hiw easy it is to cancel button i just dont see alot of value in it. 9/10 times i go guards motor i wont even build Guards. If i want decent AI i can go Penals and have scripts to AT nade and i always get better results barring of course a flameht. Thats the only time

But thats the same as saying in theory soviets have better ai but shicks lose to flametracks and soviet tanks have crap hps.

They eitherbdo or they dont. I will not accept that germans do not have superior AT. No one says its ser it and forget it nor should it be its far too powerful for that. This is a game of unit preservation and micro. I can use german AT to great effect. I even messed around in 1V1 by not using armor and winning by converting fuel to muni and spamming tellars and paks. The fact is mark target takes Soviets 50% weaker overall AT and evens the playing field. Leacing the soviets also with marginally better AI because you wont have mark with superior AI soviet units or abilities.

Where for mother russia dies it both with AI and AT. Yet there are no cries about that because tanks dont get the boost.

So your arguement is about personal preference you do not then deny the fact the german faction has better AT.

Fyi at parts cost 250 mp and have a small chance to get a single shrek or a better chance ro get two ptrs. You brought them up i am doing an infantry at comparison. So point being even if i get a lucky roll and dont get ptrs AND i spend the muni for mark target i would still do 40% less damage then german at infantry.

Also i am glad you decided to bring up burst vs sustained dps. Yes a mark can hurt in surprise by a whole dedicated at force. Bur this is why german armor tends to have higher armor and hps for their relative class.

I am also glad you brought up target weakpoint as being bugged cahse guess what? So is self repair! Not being abke to cancel it because a pio is attacking you is good times for all!

I am also glad you explained vehicle combat dynamics to me because i was very confused....since losing vehicles is more painful then i am sure you agree having higher hps facing at most equal at and at worst inferior at then having higher hps smoke and blitz is an exponential advantage in the armor game.

Also i would like to point out your whole arguement about soviets even having equal at is centered around a single ability that isnt in every doctrine. Me i personally prefer doctrines with shocks...

Guards are great, everything about them are great besides one thing. Which is the DP-28. It's extremely weak, it should have the same DPS as the Gren LMG since they are the same cost.

I know it comes with 2 DP-28s

But those 2 DP-28s should equal the DPS of the Gren LMG

Even if they did it would only work in a garrison since there are two of them and the run for cover or random move over here squad ai with 6 men. Like what happens now they are constantly reaiming and in setup.

I am shocked that anyone in thier right mind would rhink Guards are great at 360 mp. 50% more manpower for the combat performance vanilla grens with no faust. If they had better pen and could plink away at hevies then maybe. At duties are better and cheaper with the light at gun and ppsh conscripts even have better ai so this only leaves them with buggy old expensive button.