Profile of Imagelessbean

Would be nice to know ahead of time what the plan is here instead of last minute all of a sudden they drop the patch.

NDA for you, and NDA for you, and NDA for you...

Saying it's to good for it's cost is the same way as asking for a cost increase, which would at least be better than making it only affect your own units.

Again; as others have pointed out in order to be consistent this would require FHQ to not affect allies, the CPIV to not affect allies, the ambulance to not affect allies, ect.

The factions have units in them that work well when paired with the other faction, this is by design and is not unintentional. The C-Panther is a large investment at 200 fuel which means that you won't be facing a Jadgtiger, regular Panther, or a King Tiger for a long time, it's appropriately CP timed and costs 25 more fuel than the regular Panther already.

And OKW call units are either A. Utility infantry or B. extreme late game tanks; the only faction in the game that can avoid teching to it's last tier is Soviets thanks to the way the faction is designed around call ins.



Try playing OKW with only T0 units and see how far you get. You need Mechanized HQ to deal with Soviets/USF early game, and you need Obers and P2/Sturmtiger to deal with blobs mid game. The Panther is necessary to bridge the gap to late game.

Right because the only way to balance an over performing unit is a cost increase.

OKW isn't exactly an army that can afford to not tech. And making it more expensive is stupid when it's an issue with call in meta not the C-Panther itself.

And OKW is fuel starved, even with 3 caches at 24 fuel it takes 8 minutes of uninterrupted income to get a Command Panther assuming you don't spend it on anything else.

And you can only have 1; meaning that you can only support 1 armored column at a time.

Again what are you responding to? I did not say increase the cost of the CmP I was pointing out that for cost it is too good. I want to see the aura affect only your own units, which would bring the effect in line with the cost. I seriously must sound like a broken record.

It is almost like OKW was built to compensate for its low income, with things such as: (1) limited and few upgrade costs, (2) limited tech costs, (3) bonuses on tech buildings, (4) income boosting as a stock ability, (5) excellent scaling for every unit except Kubel, (6) ability to salvage any wrecks/guns.

OKW is actually the only army that can afford not to tech, because it is the only army with multiple stock units in its HQ, and some excellent call in units.

8 minutes of income, it is almost like the unit has value on the field. Course as OKW how would you spend your fuel, since you cannot buy medium tanks, and all of your vehicles are designed to be able to last all game?

My post wasn't directed to you but Ill throw some responses to your first post.

A vet 2 or higher AC with spotting scope can see almost 80% of medium sized maps without shot blockers just from this unit.

My understanding is that AC w spotting scope already does close to that without the assistance of a command Panther

Panthers with blitz and a CmdP around are so fast that allied tanks cannot even attempt to keep up. Making hit and run tank play infuriating because the Allies cannot prevent a Panther from penetrating deep into their lines.

This is just regular Panther stuff, Just with a 10% speed increase from the Command panther


At vet 5, if it gets there, the CmdP effectively wins games just by being around. Infantry bonuses on grens or MG's is amazingly powerful. (Before saying don't let it get vet 5 I would like to point out that a binomial situation in which the question: Does he have a CmdP at vet 5 -> I lose, if not -> I can still win, is extremely poor game design).

Command Panther does not give anything to Infantry until it reaches vet 5, a once in a blue moon deal because:
The tank unlocks at 10 cps, around same time heavies come out.

You have to earn the exp by participating in combat frequently, (Tank on Tank combat to actually make meaningful gains)

Likely the game just ends before Vet 5 can be achieved. How often have you seen vet 3 heavy tanks, let alone a vet 5 one?

As for poor game design, yes, Relic have it stuck in their heads Allies=Early Axis=late. Hence, Why a Late game focused Allied Faction and a early game focused Axis Faction would do so much for Company of Heroes 2.


I would make this unit only apply to the player's units who controls it. I would argue this should also be true for all Command units. Buffs/costs should only apply to the owner. I cannot prevent my ally from using a Sturm officer, why should I share in his risk?

I agree with this

Also economic manipulation from blitz oil trucks, Luftwaffe supply drops and supply caches affecting allies have completely murdered 3v3 and 4v4 balance since the game came out. I remember people wanted it changed, change didn't come, we got used to it and forgot to complain about it, 2 years later its still here.

You do seem to agree with me in general so I won't spend too much time beating a dead horse, but let me remind you that if you think 10% buffs here and there are not very important keep in mind how much 10% means. If you see 50m but shoot 55m and you get a 10% buff you can now spot for yourself at max firing range (55m). If you also get a 10% acceleration boost added to the fastest tank acceleration in the game you can start to see how good the CmP is around Panther tanks alone. Next to a TA the CmP is outright ridiculous at vet 0, any higher and it's gg.

Now remember that every tank around you also gets these bonuses (and this is vet level 0!), and imagine what starts to happen as you get higher levels of vet.

I would argue the reason you don't see more vet 5 CmP is not because it is hard to get, but because OKW is so dominant in late team games (where these are most likely to occur) that you simply won't have any time to build up the vet because you will steam role the Allies too quickly.

Effectively at vet 0 the CmP gives the equivalent to every tank in the aura of ~4 bulletins for that specific tank alone, after vet 1 that number climbs drastically. I understand when one player has to give up something for this unit it has a tradeoff, but in team games I give up nothing by going for (name any heavy tank) and my ally getting a CmP for me. I get all the buffs, and just to sweeten the deal he can mark vehicles for me. As such, in team games the bonuses are too extreme.

The unit is fine in 1v1 and should function as it does there, to help you get bonuses at the cost of more tanks. Quality over quantity, not quality and quantity with KT's on top.

The problem is that if it only affect the player it would be almost useless because OKW normally doesn't have very much armor on the field to even buff. Normally the only thing the Panther will be buffing is a light vehicle and maybe another Panther.

In 3's and 4's obviously there is much more armor to buff, but this just means Allies should have an equivalent to make it more "fair".

That is the OKW players problem. CmP is still useful in 1v1, just not a no brain decision. Whereas in 3v3+ I really don't see a reason for at least one player not to just select it as soon as the game starts. It was designed to give only 1 other vehicle a buff as it is still a really good front line unit. If it was supposed to be rear guard it would have to be weaker so you could kill it once in a while.