Command Panther

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:27 PMelchino7

Same armor, might have different acc on the move. Edit (someone said it)

@Alex: vet is basically the same besides last levels.

Vet0: Aura 20 sight range, +10% speed +10% ac/de-celeration
Vet1: Unlocks the 'Combat Blitz' ability
Vet2: +10% armour, +20% health +10% weapon rotation speed Aura: +20% accuracy
Vet3: -10% reload, +10% rotation speed +10% ac/de-celeration Aura: -20% reload
Vet4: Aura: +5 range
Vet5: Aura: Infantry affected too

Vet1: Unlocks the 'Combat Blitz' ability
Vet2: +10% armour, +20% health, +40% weapon rotation speed
Vet3: -30% reload, +20% rotation speed, +30% ac/de-celeration
Vet4: +10% range -25% scatter
Vet5: +53.85% accuracy on the move, +45.8% sight range

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:31 PMVuther

The Command Panther isn't affected by its own aura though right? So the -20% reload that went into the aura is still a pretty legitimate difference between the it and the base one?

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:35 PMAlexzandvar

The 20% accuracy and 20% reload are added to the aura not the C-Panther.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:35 PMImagelessbean

I am not complaining that the CmP ability is too good (though it is very good) I am complaining that in larger games a unit designed to buff only your own armor is too effective because it helps everyone.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:35 PMImagelessbean

This makes no sense. Of course by definition it is hypothetical this is a forum. Also just because you use it to beat on IS2 and T34/85's because you don't understand how powerful it is to be able to 2 shot a jackson does not make the ability worse. It is also a hypothetical situation that a Jackson shoots at a PIV with MT.

I am not complaining that the CmP ability is too good (though it is very good) I am complaining that in larger games a unit designed to buff only your own armor is too effective because it helps everyone.

We are not asking for nerfs we are asking the unit be in line with other units! You should not have a elephant that moves faster shoots faster, is more accurate, and see farther. While the Allies have...literally NOTHING like this.

Please stop saying fuel starved. You can convert munitions to fuel, and you only need to upgrade volks so in fact OKW has some of the most efficient fuel costs in the entire faction design.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:38 PMImagelessbean

This is true, but in larger games CmP can buff other CmP. The horror...the horror.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:38 PMBrachiaraidos

Can you even into reading.

That bit where before the 20% is says "Aura:" in the text you quoted?

That means it's an aura effect.

Learning is kool.

*Shudders*

Fair point.

I hope those things at least can't stack...

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:38 PMAlexzandvar

What? The conversion is insanely dumb until the late game because you will be buying shreks for a while. It's really only possible when you have support from your Ostheer friends.

It's not an Elefant, it doesn't do Elefant damage, it doesn't have the Elefants pen, and it doesn't have the range.

Nobody says Allies shouldn't get a command tank, I would be partial to the KV1 being converted to a command tank.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:43 PMImagelessbean

?

Do you read anything people write or do you just type out the response you wanted them to say to you.

Who is talking about elephants?

And no I don't want to balance an unfair unit with another unfair unit.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:35 PMImagelessbean

This makes no sense. Of course by definition it is hypothetical this is a forum. Also just because you use it to beat on IS2 and T34/85's because you don't understand how powerful it is to be able to 2 shot a jackson does not make the ability worse. It is also a hypothetical situation that a Jackson shoots at a PIV with MT.

I am not complaining that the CmP ability is too good (though it is very good) I am complaining that in larger games a unit designed to buff only your own armor is too effective because it helps everyone.

We are not asking for nerfs we are asking the unit be in line with other units! You should not have a elephant that moves faster shoots faster, is more accurate, and see farther. While the Allies have...literally NOTHING like this.

Please stop saying fuel starved. You can convert munitions to fuel, and you only need to upgrade volks so in fact OKW has some of the most efficient fuel costs in the entire faction design.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:47 PMAlexzandvar

It's not an "unfair" unit. Allies should have some sort of command tank, and the KV1 would fit perfectly.

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 23:50 PMImagelessbean

The elefant quote was to remind you which unit it could buff. I did not compare its tank killing prowess. So if I mentioned penals that would mean we should compare it directly with that?

Seriously...

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2015, 18:30 PMImagelessbean

At vet 5, if it gets there, the CmdP effectively wins games just by being around. Infantry bonuses on grens or MG's is amazingly powerful. (Before saying don't let it get vet 5 I would like to point out that a binomial situation in which the question: Does he have a CmdP at vet 5 -> I lose, if not -> I can still win, is extremely poor game design).

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 00:04 AMelchino7

I think people are missing the point on this thread.

It's not about how "good" CPV is or it's bonuses, rather about how much area buffs scales with bigger modes.

Basically what it has been ask since the release of the game, scale balance according to number of players involved.
Opel Blitz is an example of a change meant to hugely improve 2v2+ games. Bonus to allied units should be lessen the higher amount of players involved.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 00:07 AMAlexzandvar

The problem is that if it only affect the player it would be almost useless because OKW normally doesn't have very much armor on the field to even buff. Normally the only thing the Panther will be buffing is a light vehicle and maybe another Panther.

In 3's and 4's obviously there is much more armor to buff, but this just means Allies should have an equivalent to make it more "fair".

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 00:35 AMUnited

The point of this thread is to score ego points by creating hypothetical scenarios over somehow getting a 10 cp panther tank to vet 5, and the "ez win" according to legend that it gives.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 00:41 AMImagelessbean

That is the OKW players problem. CmP is still useful in 1v1, just not a no brain decision. Whereas in 3v3+ I really don't see a reason for at least one player not to just select it as soon as the game starts. It was designed to give only 1 other vehicle a buff as it is still a really good front line unit. If it was supposed to be rear guard it would have to be weaker so you could kill it once in a while.