The ost need some major buffs. the first issue is the teching cost. tier 1/2 building and bp 2 need to be reduced in half when it comes to mp to match the okw soviet cost .
a better 222. it needs more armor firepower and hp. of course it also needs a fuel increase to 35-40 . it depends on the stat buff
and last the underperforming tier 3. p4 needs a penetration buff from 120 to 160 and the stug needs to be a dedicated td again. |
Relic should buff Panther then.
3 years - same topics?
P2 is overperforming for it's cost. Why? Summ are MOBILITY, vision range, dps and health pool.Don't you think this as kinda OP?
I was playing with T70 a lot of games. It helps a lot to push back, gives you a nice counter to Obers and other elite infantry units. But in mid and late it's only a recon for ISU or KV2. But, this unit needs a LOT of attention and micro - and it can't run into enemy rear lines and get out. P2 can do it.
Nope your wrong or biased. fuckups are not tolerated for either unit. |
Usually when I deal with shreck blobs it usually is a point and click where the opponent can deal with any tank either light or heavy.
I feel that the shreck upgrade for volks is made to deal with light-medium armor earlier on in the game but it has also translated into dealing with heavy tanks.
My suggestion is to replace the shreck with the anti tank rifle (Panzerbüchse) that the Germans have in the campaign missions and theater of war missions.
This would allow for the light-medium counter that OKW needs but doesn't supersede its ability to deal with heavy tanks.
People keep saying this but its still not proven that this unit needs a nerf. its not as cost effective AT as pg shreks btw. |
Sure, at Vet4 they're equal to Vet3 Grens. Here goes your theory. Also if only OKW had some super infantry to support their Volks. Oh wait.
l2read mate your just embarrassing yourself. |
I didn't realize that micro was a task reserved for allies only.
I must be looking at the wrong stats. M1919 vs mg42
well one is outdated then or wrong
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApmrrrPr20ncdGF4VURuYjVGZXlIN3ptbV8tbzRzN0E&usp=drive_web#gid=0 |
The trick with gren v rifleman engagements is to take them at range.
At a range of 24 to 34 vanilla grens outdamage rifleman squads.
Also, just to mention that lmg42 outdamages m1919 at all ranges. Though they are very close.
And finally, to those claiming the mg42 doesn't do enough damage, try incendiary rounds.
outdps but not out hp the grens. also i looked on the stats American lmg's does more damage then the lmg42 upgrade |
Vet3 Gren: 29.14/14.62/11.02
Vet4 Volks (no shrecks): 27.68/14.15/10.31
Yeah why dont you calculate the dps of a gren squad with a lmg and a volks squad with shrek. the dps is simply not impressive. |
Are you kidding me?
Volksgrenadier:
-10% received accuracy
+30% accuracy -20% weapon cooldown
-10% received accuracy Healing when out of combat
+40% sight range +30% accuracy
-29% received accuracy
almost 50% less dmg intake, 40% sight range, 60% accuracy, 20% weapon cooldown + heal out of combat.
They will never be as effective as Obers (and I have never claimed that), or other more specialized OKW infantry, but bonuses they're getting from Vet are insane. Now look at the price and reinforcement cost. Please compare that to Rifles, Grens or Cons.
I know the stats mate i also that 60 % extra on low dps is still low dps. they are meatshields but meatshields do not win you the game. |
I've never said they're the best infantry only that they gain the most from Vet. Also getting them to Vet5 requires nothing except not letting them die. With Shreks they will get there in no time. By the end of the game I have at least 1 squad that's Vet5, usually more than that. Its harder to get Obers to Vet3, than Volks to Vet5.
Wrong on both accounts. Volks benefit the least from veterancy. they start with shitty kars and end with slightly less shitty kars. Fusiliers start with some of the best kars in the game and end with g43 and the highest long rang dps output of any rifle/ carbines (with only lmg;s can surpass them) in the game and remember death enemies do zero damage thats better then just being a punching bag like vet 5 volks.
And yes i agree that volks vet easily but only vet 5 is of relevance and you cannot proclaim that a vet 5 volks is a certainty. thats BS |
People are bashing the okw again because they are shitty players. the OKW is the very epitome of combined arms. you dont have any generalist tank what so ever safe for the p4 call in and the KT. all other units are specialised units. even the volks sure they are though (at vet 5 not before that) but have no AI what so ver midgame. second their are no cheap fuel vehicles within the okw combine this with less fuel income means you see less vehicles within the okw faction.
Sure you can complain about volks shrecks but first give me a pak 40. |