PPSH is doctrinal and guards LMG is the same 60 muni. If sovites upgrade early, they dont have muni on mines, molotov and AT nades. And fast PPSH help deal with assault grenadiers.
Why should you upgrade guards early?! |
Nullist, Im not getting into a troll war with you, seen as it seems to be your favorite past time.
I didnt say people dont do T3. I said ''for a long time'' most people went with T4, out of nescesity for decent AT. I myself never liked the SU85 even when it was OP, simply for micro reasons, Ive always played with T3 to be aggresive.
Of course most Soviets do T3 now the T34 is buffed nicely.
Im not attacking German players (rofl), just saying there are currently undersued units which will fill a roll of German AT quite well, particularly in this situation of T34/85 spam.
So that is relevant to this balance discussion.
I will reword my final comment, if it offends you less:
Now soviets have a couple strats with heavy tank use, Germans have not yet adapted their builds propperly by using the dedicated tank killing units.
In my book the only dedicated tank killers for the Ostheer are, Tigers, Panthers and the Elefant. |
40 MUNI for a no-skill-needed ability that can single-handedly save the 720 MANP, 200 FUEL Tiger you overextended and by all accounts should have lost... Plus an incredibly strong synergy with vet 1 blitz. 40 MUNI seems like a pretty modest cost to be honest.
Also if the increase makes people actually plan before a tank battle to save up a little bit of resources in case things go tits up, it`s good, adds strategy. Otherwise it works in an exactly opposite way as a skill-equalizer: Oh I f-ed up? Nevermind, smoke!
Easy easy. You can still attackground through the smoke or gain los via a third unit. |
And much cheaper, and earlier.
There will be PPSH Con spam everywhere now. You will see.
Oh I missed the important fact that they actually cost 10muni now?!
I usually just click the upgrade icon because I'm rarley ever short of munitions when playing Soviet  |
I think you may have misunderstood the new CP system.
2CP is the equivalent of 1CP in the old system.
Meaning PPSHs come out much earlier than they did.
By the time you have 1 LMG Gren, Sov can have 6 PPSHs for the same Muni cost.
G43s have also been reduced to 2CP. Are they also cheaper now?
I do understand the cp changes. Ppshs are significantly weaker imo. |
Lol...Oh Relic... How many more units/abilities are still running around with single player stats I wonder...
In any case, this is actually a buff, earlier PPSHs, at lower cost, even with reduced "proper" stats is still superior for early implementation than stronger later PPSHs.
Will have to play around with this, but my expectation is I will dominate Grens earlygame even harder with this.
I checked it and it seems pretty well balanced because the mg42 got buffed and building modifiers got changed. By the time you hit 2cp's with soviets the Jerries can usually bring some lmg grens, mortars or even a FHT to the battle. |
I don't think shocks coming a little earlier is too bad , because they are expensive and most people called them a little later anyway. There's no huge need to call them before you have 4 cons with molotovs.
They will be nice against assault grens now though.
Exactly, I just had a game where his FHT arrived just a few secs after my shocks hit the field (went 3xcon, lolotov, con).
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Ok did anyone notice the change at the langreskaya north cutoff?
They have moved the haychariot and the haystack. |
I don't mind the earlier shocks and guards that much.
However, reducing the time taken to get ppsh by over half is just ridiculous. Ppsh conscript spam already had been the most powerful and horribly boring strat in the game for ages, and now they make it stronger again.
ppsh got nerfed though
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"wooof: cons used to use the singleplayer version, now they use the multiplayer version (the one shocks have used this whole time). the old one was much stronger and way underpriced." |
cons used to use the singleplayer version, now they use the multiplayer version (the one shocks have used this whole time). the old one was much stronger and way underpriced.
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