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Thread: September Balance Patch preview [SPBP] - general discussion15 Aug 2019, 13:41 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 13:27 PMStug life DO tommy cost 340 mp and 120 fu at least to unlock ? Very true indeed. Their timing is still pretty much similar as they used to be. Maybe the upgrade should come when they become available. Since the player would have to take the risk of going directly for the base (to get the Obers accessible) meaning leaving it defenseless (the base) and skip the opportunity of purchasing vehicles. The MG should be available anyway. Locking it is pretty bad I would say. No point really in going straight for it I think Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 13:22 PMKatitof Are tommies good without upgrades? Obers are stronger. Only slightly but when Tommies upgrade to bolster 5 man which is when they acquire it early. 5 man Tommies easily defeats Obers without MG. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: September Balance Patch preview [SPBP] - general discussion15 Aug 2019, 13:17 PM Jump back to quoted post14 Aug 2019, 18:38 PMStug life can i ask what the point of this ? Cost from 200MP/120 to 100/80; unlocks Obersoldaten and the doctrinal Hetzer; Obersoldaten upgrades locked behind Panzer Authorization. nobody is gonna build it for penals for 80 fuel (mg is still locked in the last tier) as they are literally the only unit in that tier I do not know if Obers can do much of an effect without the MG. Is it actually good without the MG, what do you guys think? Honestly, I do not think they could have much of an impact without the MG. It is like getting grens combined with their MG42 upgrade except worse than that. Obers with only k98 is worse than an upgraded grenadier according to stats. https://coh2db.com/stats/#65 "select, Faction then Osteehr, Infantry then Grenadier, select under "grenadiers_mp" find the 1:_grenadier_mg42lmg_mp. It will show the DPS which is in contrast far better than Obers without any upgrades. https://coh2db.com/stats/#132 "Find OKWs Obersoldaten". Why even get Obers unupgraded? Obers definitely has better RA than Grens but all in all, is it worth purchasing without the MG. Maybe I am wrong but I am curious as to what you guys have to say. Overall, I am happy that they changing to make it possible to arrive earlier In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehrmacht September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 13:00 PM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 12:55 PMKatitof They have identical stats. Stop the bs. It is not BS. Honestly, just look how it shoots according to the second difference when its a vet in game. Screw the stats if you dont see the difference in game. Only Vet 2 and 3 can you really see the difference since vet 1 does not apply. As I said. Maybe just by a 1 second or 2. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Wehrmacht September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 12:52 PM I do not know if it supposed to be a thing but... When you compare the vet between Wehr Sniper and SU Sniper. SU sniper shoots slightly faster. Only if you look closely, you can see that is merely shoots faster by a second, possibly two. Is it supposed to be that way? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 12:50 PM OKW patch forgot something. Adjust the "AT package" for Sturmpio to 60 ammo instead. There is clearly no reason why it should even be 70 ammo for just 1 Panzerschreck. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Soviet September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 11:39 AM Nerf the Maxims survivability for better surpression. Why is this change hurtful for many to bear. It is the intention of avoiding spam but in the process of making it viable. Beginning with 5 man and add more suppression accordingly. If none wants that, why even discuss other solution when this is clearly the only proper way. The only deathloop there would be is constant ongoing discussions about "What to do about Maxim". In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 11:32 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 11:25 AMgbem it may be minor but it would still make it more efficient than cons/grens... this is unacceptable this may create the OKW counterpart of the UKF sapper piatblob... no thanks m8... i want that cancer to disappear not to proliferate... It wont be that bad an idea. Piat blob is very costy you know although it can be annoying. It can be countered if you know which to use in which faction. It wont hurt at all if Sturmpio gets the Panzerfaust, at least they become finally a proper AT unit when they can too acquire on top with 1 limited Panzerschreck. It would be balanced. It would most definitely be costy. Since other Allied factions all have snares with AT bazookas/piats and PTRS. It would be fair for OKW to at least have that when they currently have nothing for mobile AT unit. ___ Not only that, it is also timing that plays a role in early gameplay. Nerfing their AT snares across Volks, on the mass majority would directly influence their impact on early gameplay effectiveness in trade for later on. It is really a fair concept. Although it is not a nice feature but a feature which we all have to live with. It would be fair. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 11:20 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:21 AMgbem what i hate about the rak is that its rocket tends to collide more with the environment as opposed to targets... just make it a USF AT gun clone and be done with it That is what I do not like about it now, missing and hitting terrain also. Especially when it can not make a follow up sometimes, like placing a second shot on the enemy vehicle which it seldom does. Range needs to be improved further now that camo is near to being completely not as useful. I do still like your idea for making it alike USF AT gun instead. At least an AT gun in the Axis faction that would some trouble like the Allies have against Heavier tanks. Would be an interesting feature to add. Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:21 AMgbem no you misunderstood my statement... volks REINFORCE need to be changed aswell to 26mp per model... the current cost of 260mp is completely appropriate for volksgrenadiers...however reinforce costs werent adjusted to reflect that... soo changing it to 26mp per model actually keeps the proportions with its new cost of 260mp to illustrate old volks 250mp per squad 25mp per model 125 to reinforce 5 men reinforce cost 50% of original cost (125/250) new volks 260mp 25mp per model 125mp to reinforce 5 men reinforce cost 48.08% of original cost (125/260) proposed changes 260mp 26mp per model 130mp to reinforce 5 man reinforce cost 50% of original cost (130/260) I see now. Though I do not see how that would make a huge difference when it is just a mini cost increase per reinforce. The reinforce increase/difference would be like +1.04% if you take 26/25. It do not see how that would change much since it is just a minor percentage. It might make a difference anyway. I think what would be a bigger change is what I have suggested before. Switching the Panzerfaust to Sturmpio is a far better way at the dampening the Volks cost-efficiency. Make it similar to UKF units functions. Mainline having no snares (AT nades) while sappers/engineers have the snares. Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 10:21 AMgbem in this case that "uniqueness" made it so that WFA factions have overall higher winrates than EFA factions If I am not mistaken, it is the SU that had mostly the higher winrates across all factions overall. Not sure about how it performs now but I still think it is on top. In terms of uniqueness. WFA does get certain better qualities, additions and specialties. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 10:13 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 00:44 AMgbem 1. 20 range is out of the question... that would make the rak OP... Now i would prefer a pak 38 with USF AT gun stats and TWP/APCR/insert ability here 2. Yes severity of bleed is important... conscripts and grens continue to bleed harder than volks do since volks are still far more cost efficient than grens and cons for some reason 3. There is actually... and the winrates show it... WFA winrates are higher than EFA... why you ask? A. WFA gets free shit with tech... OKW gets a building with healing/mechanics/a gun USF gets a free squad UKF gets extra howies Sov and wehr dont get freebies with tech... B. WFA gets powerful bullrush builds... EFA only has the penal C. EFA has to build tech buildings further saturating their engineer role... D. WFA gets powerful infantry upgrades or powerful elite infantry Oberblob Double barblob Double brenblob The LMGblob and the penal/7man blob are all displaced by WFA counterparts 1.- It actually would not be a problem giving Raketenwerfer nearly the same range as most other AT guns now since the Camo is actually being totally nerfed to the state it must be completely stationary. Can not move or even rotate otherwise it will completely deactivate camo. Range increase so that it may be more of a viable support weapon. I actually do also like your idea about inserting instead a pak 38 with USF AT gun stats and TWP/APCR/insert ability here. I think the changes on the Raketenwerfer currently only improves survivability but really the other changes are not going to really help improve its AT capabilities. 2.- I do not see how Volks price should set higher than at the price it is going to be set, at 260. It is really the utility they have that makes them good. Combat wise, yes slightly better than some mainlines but not any better than Tommies nor Riflemen. I think if Volks are to be changed a little, in this way slightly nerfed. They should replace or switch items between the units. Now Volks have - Flamenade (it is pretty unique to have, I do not removing it for some regular nade would be a nice idea, just saying) - Faust (hard to decide but with what it currently has - Sandbags (some Axis unit should have this by default) What would make sense if Sturmpio got the Panzerfaust instead. It would limits OKW power to counter light vehicles easier as it would be only Sturmpio that would be able to snare vehicles. Now imagine Volks just having now - Flamenade and Sandbags only This would totally nerf their so called cost-efficiency. It think it would be designed like this, similar to how the units in UKF function. Sappers get the snare while the mainline dont. Timing and the rate of acquiring the units with snares are more difficult. It would be better this way. 3.- Some truth but I do not entirely agree. Osteehr is in a far better spot than it used to be, with all the changes. SU which has been in a good spot but some elements have not such as the Maxim and Conscripts which both only need changing in order to improve the gameplay. It is just WFA being more unique since they are DLC content. Maybe that is why they get more special treatment. Just assuming since it is usually the case. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW September patch discussion15 Aug 2019, 00:29 AM Jump back to quoted post15 Aug 2019, 00:23 AMgbem 1. 20 range? Thats bonkers... that gives it comparable range to the ferdinand... just give it the USF at gun stats 2. They will still be cheaper to reinforce than grens and cons... these changes mean nothing to the volks-cons dynamic unless reinforce is changed aswell 3. No but its still higher than any EFA faction... why do WFA factions always have the special treatment as opposed to EFA factions? 1.- I did not suggest totally for 20 range. I said min 10 range addition up to a decision of 20 range (if camo is completely removed, though I forgot mention this exactly). 2.- These changes do mean something in early gameplay. The severity of manpower beings but later on, it should not be the case. What do you think would be a better solution? 3.- Still the same answer, it is meant to change early gameplay which it should do. There is no special treatment between the EFA and WFA. In: COH2 Balance