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Anyways, back more on topic, it seems like PanzerGrenadiers got over buffed.

Been watching some casts and damn if they aren’t performing really strongly.

My fix/ slight nerf would be to return them to the WM tier 2. (I’ve never liked the idea of building multiple tiers of units from the HQ building anyways.)

I don’t have a problem with them being powerful, but separating them from a tier structure allows for more tech skipping strategies that I thought we all agreed is bad for balance.

Stalling for late game tanks with early game call ins is just as bad if not worse than stalling for late game call ins with a heavy tier 1 and 2.

Just put PGs back in tier 2. The Allied equivalent would be if Soviets unlocked Penal Troops at the HQ they unlocked molotovs or something.

I argued that the pgren timing was problematic to Miragefla but he seemed to push on and was fixated that the issue was with timing regardless. Facts are top players pre patch like Jove WERE already using pgren rush strats to great success, just because the majority only built one or two squads mid game that doesn't mean the unit is in need of a straight up buff until you can fill your army with em.

Imo pgrens if they are going to come before their light vehicle counters should require StG being an upgrade like old storms or obers

As it is you can now build four pgren squads quite easily and just spam teller mines before enemy LVs arrive because they require no muni investment like grens...

Then we've also seen direct nerfs to pgren counters like Bren carrier. The patch was rushed and despite some good work by Devs (I do applaud you guys for your hard work) but this patch could have used an extra month in the cooker. The tiger changes have also invalidated most other old tiger docs because these ones are now straight up better with little trade off... But that's already being discussed in the heavy thread.

Probably should have bundled them in a heavy tank focused patch rather than doing things piecemeal

Actually regardless of putting the sweeper away 5 man sappers with the sweeper are still better than 4 man sappers without. The 5 man upgrade offsets the sweeper entirely and still provides a durability buff. Over 4 man sappers. They cost 210mp. They are not intended to give commandos a run for effeciency as assault troops. If you want 5 man sappers without the sweeper the situation is rather simple-don't buy the sweeper and suffer the consequences. Sturms cost 50% more than sappers, they are also designed to operate as front line infantry exploiting flanks. THAT'S why they get to out their sweepers away. Notice none of the other 3 factions with comparably priced engineers can put away their sweepers either? It's very much intended. What makes sappers so special that they should be able to do what sturms, who again are 50% more expensive, can do aside from "I want to be able to do everything because I want to and that's why"?

still 5 stens vs 4 with sweeper, former is better.

I would like to see it as an option personally.

minesweeper comes "free" without having to pay 30 munition.

The unit is slightly more expensive but it trade utility over firepower compared to R.E. so I am not sure what you are complaining about.

And not there is very little reason that they should be able to put away the sweeper, they unit is already dirty cheap and one of the most cost efficient engineer unit in the game.

I never said they were bad so stop putting words in my mouth and attacking me as "complaining".

Back on topic it would encourage more RE builds and diversity, having a bit more power to counter MG with the underutilized upgrade.

"play the commander that gives sappers with smoke grenades"

My apologies, I simply couldn't resist the temptations.

They are good but mostly for the fact they have comparable repair to Sturms

Their combat ability is negated by mandatory sweeper

Irl 1 hit would destroy Tiger.

IRL a GREYHOUND actually destroyed Tiger with its 37mm.

Irl arguments are bad and you have no point here at all.
Being inconvenienced is not a reason to soft remove from the game a doctrinal unit.

Actually you're wrong

That greyhound story was a fabrication and there's not any reliable records for it ever existing