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Thread: Flame Halftrack18 Sep 2018, 23:14 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Sep 2018, 10:15 AMStark Exactly, +1 So unit did really well on a recent GCS2 and now people want to nerf it. Eh, all factions have counter to this unit so don't see the problem. Unit fits ostroopen strat and mobile defence. Puma will be tied to tech so partly problem is solved I agree yet WASP was nerfed so hard that grens can now walk through and faust ya (range bullitin + sprint ftw). FHT is balanced like old wasp was because they died so quick to AT guns or lights (222, luch, puma killed old wasp in seconds). Flame vehicles should be scary but they should be a premium, this should go for KV-8 or Croc too. Make em terrifying and something you should focus your army on to safeguard infantry. I don't like this current screaming of OP because people want their mainline to walk through fire like some sort of terminators. If there was an issue with old wasp then fix the timing or price, FHT does NOT need the same nerfs to make it a "meh" unit. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How to fix UKF: Unit overview18 Sep 2018, 22:48 PM Jump back to quoted post16 Sep 2018, 17:30 PMAlphrum From a team game perspective, buffs to the comet is a nono, as having a non doc tank that will be effective against all targets will be op and usually those kind of tanks are limited to 1. Comet is most definitely more viable now with the panther armour nerf. . are you using a Comet from 2 years ago? Current comet is nowhere near effective as panther vs tanks and is only just on par with pintle panther if not slightly worse on the move (it can't hit nothing on move anymore and has water gun MG's). Try sinking 185f and 18pop cap in comet and watch it miss more shots than a cromwell or P4 while inf caps in front of you... the tank sucks. it has same price as panther but you get none of the perks of a panther, less range.. health.. pen... way way worse vet. All you have in return is slightly faster main gun and armour, but the main gun is only good vs P4 spam for the previous mentioned downfalls. Comet needs a range buff to match panther at least, also some form of pen buff with vet if the anti-inf is going to stay so mediocre for the price point. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Rear Echeleons need reworking.4 Sep 2018, 08:52 AM RE should be maybe 10-20mp more cheap on squad cost, that's about it. I liked the suggestions about fighting positions, I would go a step further and double the rifle nade range if you garrison a RE inside. That would give you a soft counter to enemy garrisons and make them actually useful. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Are UKF dead in 1v1?4 Sep 2018, 08:37 AM Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2018, 17:18 PMmr.matrix300 Snip I never claimed Luch or Puma was OP compared to AEC... The issue is in a light vehicle meta OKW have 4-5 squads running around with snare and brits have nothing. This results in the brit player having to play extremely passively giving up territory because pushing up an aggressive AEC is suicide with volks hiding behind every flank or corner. Meanwhile the Axis player can light vehicle harass the brits all day and just completely dive infantry then retreat under faust screen if the AEC shows up. This is the balance issue in the current mechanized meta vs brits, watch any number of high level games from GCS2 or just replays from top OKW the last few months and you'll see this exploited every game. Thankfully Sturmpanther and co with the community mod team have decided to give royal engies a snare finally after years of relic indifference, so maybe that 70% win ratio for OKW seal clubbing brits will be a bit more balanced In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Are UKF dead in 1v1?3 Sep 2018, 00:17 AM My opinion brits are UP, but all that is needed is small ajustments. DBP and the spring patch removed any crutches they had like cover bonus, UC, bren, AEC aim shot or centaur cheese. But they needed their holes patched up if the crutches were going to be taken away. 1. Make british armour somewhat decent, improving cromwell AI to match sherman or P4, up price as well by 20f. At the moment it is like the old t-24/76... cheap but meh compared to other mediums. Put firefly down to same popcap as Jagdpanzer, it already has lowest and slowest DPS in the game unless you have 200+muni just sitting around for tulips. Also give comet same range as panther. comet was overnerfed terribly and two years on still has crappy vet. Range to match panther and 30% pen at vet 3 would fix this tank. 2. make the current snare change official, really really needs to get added to the game. It's far too easy to dive brits with current Luch and Puma meta. Axis almost always will pick up a wipe or UC destroy here unless you play super conservatively with 6pdr+AEC and give him map control. 3. mobile mortar team and possibly lock mortarpit to a doctrine or something, lategame the biggest issue is just having zero inderect to counter an axis command tank cancer blob (tanks, MG or two and sniper all buffed by command P4 or given free map hax by bonus damage command panther). Good luck trying to dislodge this with tommy arty grenade or mortar pit lol Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2018, 21:49 PMmr.matrix300 Against OST they are a bit underpowered but when facing them as OKW they can be a pain in the knee to play against Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2018, 23:16 PMIncendiaryRounds UKF is great vs OKW but less so vs Ost, the opposite can be said about USF. Basically both UKF and USF players want the faction they struggle with to be as easy to defeat as the one they excel at fighting already. THE GREED OF THESE PEOPLE KNOW NO ENDS. What? Look at the stats in Elchinos link, in GCS2 OKW won 70% of all games vs brits. The Ostheer rate was a lower but still impressive 66% win in all games played. Early game UKF get bullied flame nades and luch+puma, midgame you either try to crutch on commandos or waste your fuel on tommy upgrades vs volk spam, lategame brits just fall behind in the armour and artillery war. https://www.coh2.org/news/81260/gcs2-game-stats-with-siphon-x In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Feedback for Commander Revamppatch29 Aug 2018, 10:30 AM Firstly I just want to say yet another thank you to the mod team and the staff at relic for supporting their hard work. Many other games would have been abandoned years into their life-cycle but it's just brilliant to see the community and relic coming together to sort out balance and inject some new life into the game. NOW! I played a few matches as Brits and OKW last night, my thoughts: British Engineer snare: Very good change as I thought, yes Engineers can be upgraded with double PIAT and snare but this only makes its appearance in latemid-lategame and is a non-issue (they still get kited to death by Panzer 4 just like RE/Rifle zooks). The counterbalance to having a useful Royal Engineer snare is you can only really fit two of them into your army composition without being overrun, Axis meanwhile will usually have double your number of snares (4-5 volks or panzerfusillers/falls mixed in with snares as well. compared to your 2 sapper squads on average). The above point is why I'm not sure about removing brits 6 pounder bonus vs lights, in the current meta OKW players will rush Luch and Puma combo and just dive for your AEC and Bren carrier exploiting the Brit lack of snare, brits meanwhile have to turtle with a AEC and AT gun in the hope they can hold their fuel in time for a cromwell but until then have to play incredibly boring and passive. If the AT gun accuracy was removed and snare was locked behind fuel and MP upgrade would this cheesy puma+luch meta really change? I don't think it would be enough to help brits with how fragile sappers are vs luch until you can afford 5 man and double piat. Everyone has seen over the last 3-4 months just how terrible UKF are in GCS and other high level games (hans even refusing to play his beloved brits and picking USF). So this bit of love and out and out buff with the AT grenade is a lifeline. If it turns out there's an issue with PIATS just stick them up to 60muni and it will prevent spam but in the games I played it was a non-issue. I played one game against RE spam and I found it easy to counter with OKW flak truck just like it counters Penal PTRS, Tommy BOYS or RE zooks. I imagine we will see a lot more flak truck usage vs brits rather than the current "build a luch+puma dive AEC and win" picking on holes in their design. TACTICAL SUPPORT Actually feels like a viable doctrine now, so big thumbs up to the mod team for fixing this doctrine. The only issue I have is with the removal of the artillery cover. Of course it's initial version was game winningly OP and it was then nerfed into a minor annoyance... but having a mediocre ability that's only a minor annoyance is fine, it just needed to be cheaper. Reintroduce it but fix the price at 125muni imo, as others have said the Croc feels a bit overused and im not sure sacrificing a doctrinal ability with unique voice lines is really what is needed here. Speaking of the Crocodile it feels balanced now, it should have been a premium Churchill with a flamer and that's exactly what have finally. I much prefer this than having all the DPS tied to an overpowered flame thrower or the previous version that was lets faced it a bit toothless for the 230 fuel. Recovery sappers are useful now, but they could do with being a CP or so earlier due to their timing being a bit late. Possibly put them up to 260mp due to the extra utility of salvage and smoke nade. 230mp is a bit cheap. Forward ob post while I didn't get a chance to use it in 1vs1 in any of my games... it will find a lot more use in 2vs2 3vs3 or 4vs4 im sure. But with the amount of artillery and howitzers in these modes im sure it will be easy to counter. OKW ELITE ARMOUR This is probably my favorite doctrine now with the changes. The panzer commander upgrade actually feels like it's buffing your vehicle now rather than before when it was essentially locking you out of a gren squad MG42 slapped up top for some extra DPS in return for overpriced artillery. This will probably be my go to upgrade for panthers for now on, HEAT shells+50 range of the panther+panzer officer line of sight is very potent for bullying fireflys indeed. The artillery call in itself is a lot better, the price decrease allows you to just keep dropping it on emplacements or team weapons and not really worry too much about munitions.The doctrine suffered from the same issues as the old british tactical support in that everything had extortionate muni cost so it's nice to see some attention to fixing this. Emergency Repairs well the buff was pretty straight forward and works well. No issues with that here. Sturmtiger I only got to play around with a bit but it felt better, if you hit an AT gun it's still going to be a wreck. Just now any units instead of dodging the AoE free from consequence will now instead be suppressed and easy pickings with a follow up attack. But possibly make the suppression bubble slightly bigger. The only other change I would add to the doctrine is making HEAT shells 10muni or so cheaper, but in return slapping 40 seconds or so on the cooldown so it can't be spammed in every engagement. I think it only makes sense considering the other abilities have been dropped in price too. In: Lobby
Thread: Feedback for Commander Revamppatch28 Aug 2018, 09:04 AM Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2018, 08:59 AMullumulu can you pls quote where i said that croc take take out panthers by itsself?? i said: i can deal with it. Si said stick the croc with a FF and now you can overrun the most lines easily. You said it can deal with Panthers! Any churchill can not deal with panthers, they are just a big vet sponge as they pen you at range. Remember Croc can't even shoot through smoke with attack ground, it really is bad at AT due to this and panzer tactician being in every useful Ostheer doc. FF and churchill will get demolished by tiger and P4 or command panther and P4. FF is so slowwwwwww In: Lobby
Thread: Feedback for Commander Revamppatch28 Aug 2018, 08:53 AM Very nice changes! thank you for Mr Smith and Sturmpanther etc for fixing up these rather useless commanders. This will feel like a breath of fresh air and I can't wait to try out the new Elite Armour with the buffed Sturmtiger. British snare also looks like a great change, Hans brought this up on stream a few weeks ago but I think this will work great and is what is needed to fix faction holes (VERY smart idea putting it on the sappers, as sappers come the same time as volk faust or rifle vet 1 usually rather than just giving it to tommy). Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2018, 03:58 AMShadowLinkX37 Since someone decided to invis my first post.... Potentially problematic: Croc callin Elite vehicle crews from USF Valentine/Sexton combo KV-8 LeFH in overwatch coupled with maximum vision trucks and flares everywhere. Also its 1-3 vet is matching ostheer which is a massive buff, all while having better base scatter stats. 5 man grenadiers Stug E Other things which are too vague which raises concerns are the M10 HEs, perimeter overwatch from UKF, M-42 AT gun, and stormtroopers honestly look terrible. well maybe you should try and be a bit more positive rather than trashcanning the hard work of the mod team. I mean you've not even tried the mod yet and you're here saying all the changes are bad. I think that is why your first post was deleted. Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2018, 06:06 AMullumulu Is it only me, or did they overbuffed the croc? I mean...a tank with high HP and armor, with turrent which can deny any infantery and AT gun AND now even can take out any medium tank and can even deal with panthers? Stick it with one allie TD...and you overrun everything your oponent can have easily. And comon...OKW get nothing? Even the crap STtiger was nerfed ...again? There is alot allie biased develop behind this... ST was buffed, it now has a large suppression bubble which will tackle blobs as you can't really dodge. Croc can take out panthers? I think Panthers have a lot better range, pen and mobility. If you lose a command panther to croc I would like you see the mod replay. I have yet to play but I think it is a good change, Croc now will feel like a heavy tank on par with Tiger or Pershing. Just not as good in AT and range but better AI and health. In: Lobby