Rear Echeleons need reworking.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2018, 18:22 PMIncendiaryRounds

Tactical advance has tradeoffs though not as severe. And yes, you should be grateful of having the luxury of getting killed just like the Stug has the luxury of taking forever to aim and load a TWP while getting shot at and getting itself killed. No fixing the RE until the TWP gets fixed. Stug got its ability, base stats and pop cap nerfed while RE remains a good unit even without volley.

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2018, 23:43 PMthedarkarmadillo

Tactical advance does what it advertises. Volley fire does not. TWP is a separate issue unlinked to an underused unit with an awful ability. Soviet tanks have fucking cap territories regardless of its intended role so at least be happy TWP has a job, even if it was over nerfed. But again REGARDLESS of other abilities volkey fire sucks and needs addressed. It could be removed and wouldn't be missed and that is a sign of an underpowered ability. The fact that RE are unattractive to begin with (unlike the stug) makes it even worse. An attractive unit with a decent ability is at least serviceable, an unattractive unit with a worthless ability might as well not be...

Jump back to quoted post3 Sep 2018, 23:54 PMIncendiaryRounds

How is the RE unattractive? They match the combat effectiveness of pios and pios have 3 special abilities as well better sight, tellers, and mg bunkers. So if RE suck then pios suck. Stugs however are no longer popular after the RoF nerf IN ADDITION to the pop cap nerf (which the SU76 didn't get) nor did the abilities of the Su76 get nerfed as hard as stug twp. Most players rather get pak + p4 than stug + ostwind/pgrens.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2018, 09:18 AMStark

And another coh2 balance discussion makes a life circle. Few years ago there was huge butthurt about RE being too cheap and to easy to afford - covered with Captain were perfect to blob with 2x zook or 2x bar. Reminds me old CaptainPrice blobs on 2v2s. That cancer was epic.

But people forgot about that great time and again they wanna reduce the reinforcing price...

Until that unit can be equipted with 2 weapon upgrades they can't be any price reduction. If you wanna do something give them upgrades or diffrent abilities etc.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2018, 09:18 AMStark

And another coh2 balance discussion makes a life circle. Few years ago there was huge butthurt about RE being too cheap and to easy to afford - covered with Captain were perfect to blob with 2x zook or 2x bar. Reminds me old CaptainPrice blobs on 2v2s. That cancer was epic.

But people forgot about that great time and again they wanna reduce the reinforcing price...

Until that unit can be equipted with 2 weapon upgrades they can't be any price reduction. If you wanna do something give them upgrades or diffrent abilities etc.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2018, 09:30 AMKatitof

And first year conscripts were great, but for 4 following years, up to latest changes were utter trash unable to be used at any role other then AT nade throwers and cappers.

What's your point?

If a unit is shit, it needs love, it couldn't matter less how it was X time ago, when now its utter trash.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2018, 10:36 AMKatitof

I've said love, not discount, I'd much rather see suppressive volley actually useful and that would be sufficient.

We're not talking about making them Obers vol.2.

Here's an idea about Rear Echelons (since Axis mains AGAIN reject every idea)

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2018, 14:06 PMLeOverlord

You can also just give them M3 Grease guns.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2018, 14:20 PMLago

Why does it matter what they say? Relic and the balance teams make the decisions. They're just as capable of ignoring the people who see balancing as a competition as the rest of us are.

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2018, 14:29 PMSupremeStefan

For me this is awesome option.
60 muni for 4 grease guns sounds good and i guess balanced

Jump back to quoted post4 Sep 2018, 15:14 PMIncendiaryRounds

If RE are utter trash, then so are pios.