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Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion25 Jan 2020, 02:13 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Jan 2020, 20:36 PMNorthFireZ First off I want to say COH2.org Discord is hosting a tourney based on winter balance prview so we can get some samples and have a bit of fun. On to thoughts Armor on wasp is huge for brits. Still won't be as good as a flame halftrack but god damn that's going to be fun. Little bit about the teching for Brits thou. One of the ways Brits is staying competitive right now adjusting to the Tommy nerfs is by rushing fast Cromwell. The good stalling power of brits and trenches allow. Giving a lot of Cqc options is pretty good but here is my concern. It's going to be easier for top UKF players to get armor out. Meaning, we might be seeing 8-9 minute Centaurs due to how UKF teching works. It technically only takes 145 fuel in order to start unlocking mediums assuming skipping things like Bolster, AEC, etc. Here you've given even easier ways to skip bolster with 5 man spawning squads which eliminates the 35 fuel needed for bolster. Here you've given a CQC anti infantry unit as an alternative to Sniper in the mid game.(A lot of brit players get a sniper to supplement A.I since tommy mid game has no meaninful offensive vet) Along with the lend lease doctrine, you can skip AEC tech and get AA halftrack vs ost. With a potentially much better early game, Wasp Buffs, CQC mid game unit, Brit will have a much better mid game than ever before. BUT I'd say you can get a centaur competitively with LV timing about 8-9 minutes since all of these factors lead to NEEDING LESS FUEL TO BE COMPETITIVE WHILE ALSO INCREASING MAP PRESENCE. This is going to completely flip flop mid-low level Brit vs OST. Espically a level where people don't understand how to deal with Assault troops and a level where the moving accuracy/RA buffs will help the most. In essense, a recipe for Cheese. What i'm suggesting is to force the unlock of AEC or Bofors tech in order to unlock T3. This wouldn't nerf traditional doctrines but rather an anti chese measure. So counter it the same way you counter assgren spam? Assault officer and assault section have no snare unlike cav rifles. I mean without bolster REs or AEC you're going to be pretty vulnerable to Luch or FHT. Especially on CQB maps where Atg are easily avoided. And larger maps the assault sections will struggle so you'll need at least Brens sections and or five man anyway. I imagine we will still see a lot of five man and double sapper builds or AEC just because of these vulnerabilitys. Really Cromwell rush is nothing new and light vehicles will still punish it just the same. (And if you invest in a AAht that's still a fuel sink delaying tech similar to AEC, which also will struggle vs 444 and the late game of that doctrine kinda sucks) Not saying your fears are unfounded, but let's see how it plays out. The counter to this seems obvious really. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion24 Jan 2020, 13:04 PM Jump back to quoted post24 Jan 2020, 11:17 AMSunTzu Can anyone tell me why OST in the patch did not receive any changes? And a faction that needs buffs ... I would say Ost UKF and USF and okw are mostly fine now. Soviets need some small nerfs to T70 vet and 7man con (focus on small because old cons lategame were target practice for axis inf) because their late game is just bullying everyone. Let's see how the patch plays out in testing and then you can isolate whatever needs changing. The heavy meta has really messed up a lot of the traditional late game builds, and mostly benefitted Sov and OKW. It will be nice to see a return to medium tanks, and medium play is arguably ostheers territory as their T3 is so solid. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: What do you expect for the next patch?24 Jan 2020, 10:46 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Jan 2020, 12:00 PMblvckdream Are you talking about the next balance patch? If so: - nerf for all heavy tanks except KT and Croc/AVRE - nerf for Scott, Pak Howitzer, Jackson - nerf for SVT Cons - nerf for 7 man Conscripts - change the design of the OKW IR HT - change of cool down on Sexton and Priest (it's too long now considering their price) I don't feel SVT cons deserve a nerf. It's similar to airborne lmgs, they are good and a lot better than other units... But the doctrine lacks a lot in other areas without armor options. If it had a is2 at the end like grand offensive OK, but it doesn't. Cons could use a change to the arguably better late game 7man upgrade however. The only downside that has compared to svts is timing. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion24 Jan 2020, 10:43 AM If people are going to post misleading stats IMO the mods should clean it up. The flame wars around balance patches is bad enough without people posting fake stats to whip everyone up. Just my two cents. Also interesting how he missed the 1.0 target size and focused on vet bonuses. As if pgrens and new assault Tommies have the same base survivability... They don't In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion24 Jan 2020, 10:10 AM Jump back to quoted post24 Jan 2020, 05:41 AMZeroZeroNi can i ask why brits get a 0cp 280 mp squad with 82.5 dps???? while ost only get one with 51 dps????? what kind of retarded imbalance is this??? even cav rifles have less dps and still require 1 command points. WOW and ostheer receives a nerf of course. Like why do they get to have 0 cp 280mp units that are stronger than panzer grens. New Fking ass tommies vs Pgrens: EHP: 400 v 400 dps: 82.5 v 62 vet: +40% acc -29% ra v +40% acc -29% ra What the fucking hell. Do you know how DPS works? They don't do 82.5 DPS at all ranges. Pgrens are much more flexible with how little their dps drops off in comparison. They also turn into terminators at vet 3. Assault Tommies have been in the game for months now and it's established that their pretty much balanced. If they need a delay in timing to pgren timing so be it. But their stats are anything but OP, they get munched late game by vet axis elites. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: COH2 winter balance mod - discussion24 Jan 2020, 02:30 AM Jump back to quoted post23 Jan 2020, 19:00 PMFarlion And now we'll have non-lmg Tommy death blobs that fire on the move. I like a lot of what the balance team has done over the last years, but this is a catastrophe. In recent months there were numerous threads on what to do with the Brits, and those had some great ideas. But the general consensus was to do anything that does not involve buffing Tommies or the UC. This patch does both. Why did people not want section buffs? Because we know how this story ends. The last time the balance team tried to rework sections it resulted in the Tommy death blob that was nerfed last year. And at least in that rework, when they made sections better out of cover but slightly worse in cover, they took something away from them. This patch literally only buffs sections to such a degree that it can only have one outcome. The WASP has literally been absent from all high level play since the nerfs. So what do you suggest if not an armour buff? The unit already needs to get practically into faust range to burn anything (Vickers can sit way back in comparison). So a bit extra armour is valid. God some of you people just want to keep a faction people paid for down in the nerfpit to the point top britplayers avoided the faction because of how trash they were last tournament. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: UKF Minor Redesign4 Jan 2020, 17:06 PM Brits need an extra infantry unit or upgrade option to fill the cqb role. Not just for balance sake, but because only having two infantry options is boring as hell. Balance wise UKF really get bullied hard by StG or g43 units on cqb maps. On open maps you stand a chance vs okw with superior MG and sniper play. But on cqb maps it's not unusual to see top 20 brit players losing to total noobs because the state Tommies and RE are in now. Some minor buffs to four man Tommies so they stand a chance before five man would also be welcome. IMO create a pgren/penal hybrid with airofficer or even sniper skins, give them Thompsons with a unique weapon profile for medium and cqb. Lock out weapon pick ups. This has been suggested on the forums by others for years but now the balance team have the freedom I think they should go for it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Sega exec join Tencent & China Expansion22 Dec 2019, 06:14 AM Comparing China with nazi Germany... I'm sorry but you are drinking the CNN coolaide if you think there is anything in common. There's not, I could list off plenty of American companies people have boycotted or American politics etc but let's not go there. China is an exciting new market and I'm happy if Sega can build a link there. There is definitely a hunger for historical titles with Chinese gamers as total war has proven. Three kingdoms is arguably the BEST total war title since Shogun 2, so let's keep this link with Japan and China going. And less toxic fake news trying to divide a wall between east and west. In: Lobby
Thread: Soviet Lendlease rework19 Dec 2019, 13:27 PM Jump back to quoted post5 Aug 2019, 18:47 PMTiger Baron Son of a bitch, those ungrateful Soviet bastards, I swear. It was better than their AT rifle that couldn't penetrate anything above a light tank's armor for sure, or suicide charging against an enemy tank with AT grenades. But then again these are the Soviets we're talking about so I'm sure that a rocket projected weapon would be less preferred than running to your death in the name of the motherland. Latewar by the time AT rifles were obsolete they already had 1000's of captured panzerfausts that the retreating Wehrmacht left around in depots like candy. It was one of if not the most commonly captured weapon iirc, which is substantial. Watch any late war footage or photographs and you'll see a lot Soviet infantry running around with a panzerfaust or two in hand. Bazookas and piats were disliked and put into storage But a Churchill for the doctrine could be cool In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Maxim Sustained Fire12 Dec 2019, 10:38 AM Jump back to quoted post11 Dec 2019, 16:59 PMSander93 Brits at least have the Vickers UC to contest HMG 42s out in the open. HMG 42s are easier to flank because of lower durability, slower traverse and a slower redeploy time too. But that doesn't really matter, as I've already said before, UKF with their lack of T0 indirect having trouble with early game HMG spam does not mean we should make it even harder for OKW too. This is not about "them versus us", this is about making sure we keep early game HMG spam effectiveness to a minimum. The WASP... With all due respect when was the last time you saw any player in the top 100 build one of these in a competitive game. Don't get me wrong I applaud the balance team for a lot of changes relic were slow to deal with but I have to say this paragraph you typed is really mind boggling There's a couple reasons why these forums and top players are moaning for smoke and a mortar to deal with axis team weapons. And the WASP being a waste of resources with how fragile, awkward to use and close it had to get to engage is one of them. It's in the current overnerf trashcan the comet was in for two years and is in dire need of a redesign and timing. If you still feel the WASP is Brits answer to countering MG42s and garrisons then how about opening a thread about how players feel for some input? Or you could search previous threads that have been made the last year or so, most feedback is that the unit sucks and to just give Brits a mortar. In: COH2 Balance