Are you on crack? 145 is exactly what it costs, it's never gone above that number...
My mistake, 140 fuel is what I meant. |
Can someone explain this to me objectively? Because this seems to be the fundamental reason why there is so much whining for a Jackson nerf. I mean I hear people make stupid arguments like "make the Jackson only good against heavy armor" as that makes any sense or could be programmed. Basically it just boils down to people wanting a basic Panzer IV tank to be able to take on a dedicated tank destroyer? Pretty sad the devs gave in to whining and nerfed the Jackson anyway. Did they reduce it's cost back down to 145 fuel? Nope. Every time I go back to playing OST after USF and Brits I'm always shocked how cheap everything is. |
After playing Brits again for a bit I'm back to the belief that USF is the moment the most restricted and inflexible faction in the game right now, and it's arguably been that way for a long time. Ost has a T3 with Panzer IV, Ostwind, and Stug, plus a T4 with Panther, Brumbar, and the rocket HT. Brits get a T4 of sorts with Anvil and Hammer tactics, OKW gets a stock Tiger II.
Only Soviets and USF have no good late game T4 options. Soviets do at least have many doctrines, several with T34/85 and IS2. USF has few doctrines and a bad tech tree. Falling behind and losing units is much harder to recover from as USF than any other faction. The idea for the CPT and LT teching to 76mm Sherman is for some breathing room incase you fall behind, lose a fuel cut off or something like that. If you tech to LT, buy a Stuart, than lose it to a couple Schrek equipped sqauds you're screwed. No AT gun to hold back tanks, no Jackson for a LONG time, and the Sherman M4A3 is not up to the task. |
Ok, i am going to throw my suggestion for the WC51 in the ring. Feel free to +1 it or tear it down.
- added fuel cost of 10
- MP cost to 250 from 200
- Remove artillery, move it to the M3 halftrack maybe?(atleast something usefull instead of utterly useless medical crates, you have a ambulance for that)
- Replace artillery with a 81mm mortar barrage, not sure what kind(HE, smoke, WP, maybe mixed?) Still needs vet 3
- Mark target adjusted(not sure what debuffs it gives to vehicles atm, if someone can give me some numbers that would be great for all of us)
So you want to both make it cost AND be worse at the same time? Yeah no. |
A little background on this thought. I was thinking about the Mechanized Commander for USF and how that commander has more special units shoved into it than any other commander for any faction. Correct me if I'm wrong but I counted 5 doctine specific units; Cavalry Riflemen, M3 HT, WC51, Mortar HT, and 76mm Sherman. I don't think any other commander for any faction has that many.
The 76mm Sherman has been talked about a lot. I'm told it's a copy and paste of the Soviet M4C. The tank makes a lot of sense for the Soviets, I wonder if the Brits would have benefited more from it than the M10. I wondered if it should be in more USF doctines, like maybe Heavy Cavalry to bolster that commander's utility in light of the Pershing nerf.
Then I wondered "what if it were a stock unit". At first I thought maybe people would complain that would make USF OP but the more I thought about it the more I realized it probably wouldn't make a difference. I think it's actually a worse multi-role tank than the regular Sherman, and it's a far worse AT unit than the Jackson. Just adding it to be unlocked stock by the Major probability wouldn't even change anything with the faction.
What if you could unlock it from the Barracks after teching to both LT and CPT and unlocking their respective vehicle techs skipping Major but giving you an alternate tech path? |
The doctrine is pretty meh even though it's filled to the brim with all this crap.
The WC51 is the best part of the doctrine though because for a faction with no early game advantages it's nice to have a T0 unit that can do certain things not possible in any other doctine. |
well, OST needs armour early to compensate for average-ish INF. I supposes if OST was given the option to go 5man gren at T2? it could give OST more options in doctrine-choice
They have really early Panzergrens. I don't see what the problem is. You could try to do a 5th man bolster for Grens and Pioneers when teching to T4 but then you'd have to increase it's cost for teching. |
I thought this thread was about the M20 and how it got nerfed into irrelevancy. |
Well the patches have created more problems than they've solved over the last two years that's for sure.
Panzergrens come out eay too soon, Ost shouldn't be guaranteed their availability either.
Fallschrimjagers come out way too soon.
Supposedly Allied infanry are better but that gets negated when you're giving the Axis factions their elite infantry right off the bat.
USF still has that atrocious tech tree no one wants to fix.
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Take away its ability to turn into a formula 1 car for free, its ability to outrange infantry, its ability to carry squads, its ability to mark target and its ability to call in artillery and it will STILL be 10x better than the kubel, a unit that is actually more expensive.
Yes it is overpeforming.
200 MP + 45 munitions vs 210 MP. No, the WC51 is NOT more expensive than the Kubelwagon. |