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Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room3 Jan 2021, 20:16 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Jan 2021, 18:11 PMTheGentlemenTroll For penals to be meta they have to be horrendously op or Cons have to be so awful that they make up for the insane amounts of utility you lose by going T1. Frankly Im not sure you can fix that unless the tech gets reworked. Wat kind of rework would you think be best? Imo t1 and t2 reduce the cost of eachother esp mp wise, then backteching doesnt hurt so much. And t3 can come earlier/cheaper with both t2 and t1 built, and with t70 behind and extra unlock or tied with mr. This way su76 and m5 come on the field earlier. In: Lobby
Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room3 Jan 2021, 18:00 PM Jump back to quoted post3 Jan 2021, 16:56 PMVipper If you are talking about their original designed on release they where the Pg counterparts. Stock "semi elite" infatry that arrived allot later with different tech tree, so they where not "mainline infatry". (pre release Penal where Shock/guards troops equivalent and they 3 types of commanders (armies) Shock/Guard/NKV if I remember correctly) But the game at the time was completely different game. Pre June patch is simply history and has little relevance to current game. I was replying to penals dont fit or have a role in soviet faction since day one. Wich crearly isent the case. Redisigning them is not likely to happen. But giving them if possible fussie style upgrade would be ideal. Weaker start with price drop, expensive ai or at upgrade. In: Lobby
Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room3 Jan 2021, 16:03 PM Penals where designed to work with cons from the very beginning, or is merge only for ce's or zis and maxim? And sandbags repel penals or something? Penals where designed to be the muscle in firepower, the aggresive unit/tier. Cons where designed as a utility unit for both t1 and t2, their dps wasent rng crazy without reason. Still when penals where nerfed way back, the faction suffered. Cons where made mainline instead of being utility/supllement unit. In: Lobby
Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room3 Jan 2021, 12:22 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2021, 20:35 PMVipper Only they where not nerfed, there power creeped by conscripts and out caped by ostte. Not recently, i meant from the 360mp version to the 270mp version, without flamethrower Cus those didnt pull their weight imo and cons where really lackluster back then so they got insane rec acc buffs wich was just a band aid. In: Lobby
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback3 Jan 2021, 08:43 AM Jump back to quoted post3 Jan 2021, 08:07 AMVipper And penal can vet up by using single satchel vs a stationary target or AT satchel vs a vehicle. Point here is that all vet 0 infatry straggle to vet in late game battlefield. (Try to vet a PG when there is an ISU-152 out). Will one build a Penal squad in late game to replace a lost squad? Probably not but it is hared to lose a squad the first place. I am not sure what people expect of Penals, if one makes them able to take on Obers will that actually make the game better? I am not saying buff penal base stats. I am saying a bundle nade or ai upgrade will do wonders vetting up fresh squads, more then just be expensive 6 men squads with good base stats. Imo being 6 men is no garantee to being wiped less often. Gren pgrens obers ostwind p4 brumbar ostwind k-tiger teller and smines al have good aoe on their guns and nades to wipe, soviets only have close range katty kv2 and isu. Easely balancing 4 v 6 men. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback3 Jan 2021, 08:01 AM Jump back to quoted post3 Jan 2021, 07:51 AMVipper And it harder to lose a Penal squad with 6 entities and to the last ability than a 4 man squad like PG. In order to get into grenade range or even mid range for ST44 Pg lose entities that more expensive the Penal models. As I point the grenade is simply not enough to make a unit successful. I think the point he is making is that being able to do more damage with fresh squads gets your units vetted up faster then tanking damage with fresh squads. Ai upgrades and nades such as bundle nades do more then having 6 instead of 4/5 men. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Penals, the Elephant in the room2 Jan 2021, 18:43 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2021, 17:56 PMCrecer13 They have no role. Their design is terrible. They are superfluous in Soviet infantry design. Space holder in T1 for Shock Troops and Guards in the original design. Penalties have always blocked another infantry unit throughout the game: - engineers with a flamethrower - Guard with PTRS - and meaning the legendary overlap of the Conscripts, the constant tug of war who is the main infantry, the constant interruption of each other, the constant requirements of the buff because one infantry unit replaces the other. The best option would be to simply remove the Penals and not try to pervert to come up with a role for them, for them there is no one anyway. The Penalties will block other infantry. Why dont pgrens or obers block grens and volks? Its because they have very different roles and until recently timing was far apart. Penals only role is blowing up the occional bunker, provide early/soft at mostly without mg,s or atguns as support. Ow yeah and bleed you dry plus give a slow start. It can work, but both being mid to close range doesnt help, both not having ai nades nor actual ai upgrade dont help as well. Both being minute 0 to 1 is not helping. In the past they where the muscle where cons where glorified support and utility. Then they where nerfed and cons had to be buffed as a result. In: Lobby
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback1 Jan 2021, 10:46 AM Jump back to quoted post1 Jan 2021, 10:15 AMAarotron I wonder if we gave a go on idea of penals getting ooraah once mobilize reserves has been teched. It would penals a bit more choice in lategame, as they could close distance to more ideal combat ranges faster and being behind tech would prevent cheesing it in the earlygame. Of course ptrs package would be needed to take into consideration. Yeah this in an intetesting idea. The most problamatic thing would be the at satchal. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback31 Dec 2020, 20:44 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Dec 2020, 20:17 PMSpoof I have never seen mass MG42 spam in team games. I've only seen mass Maxim spams in large team games where I often play amongst the lower brackets with friends, but thankfully, no Maxim spam in mid-level 2v2s/1v1s. The issue is the maxim is worse then an mg 42 so you need to built more to get the same result. Imo maxim spam is easier to punish because of this. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: [Winter Balance Update] SOV Feedback31 Dec 2020, 15:12 PM Jump back to quoted post31 Dec 2020, 13:30 PMblvckdream Because you can't just look at Maxim vs MG42 in a vacuum. Soviets get 2 CP elite infantry call-ins that synergize extremely well and soon after T70. In return soviets get conscripts next to those 2 cp inf and maxim. Where osts get grens with faust from minute 1 and prgrens, the mg42 with vet can fight light vehicles as well as controlling inf better then the live maxim by a wide margin. The flametrack and 222 synergyse really well with all of that and arrive earlier then the t70 or quad. In: COH2 Balance