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Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing23 Dec 2019, 19:15 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 19:14 PMT.R. Stormjäger HEATgasm If the answer is HEAT then Pumas aren't a counter. Not unless something crazy like HEAT becoming nondoctrinal happens. EDIT: So I went and tested it out and... wow. Not gonna lie, I was not expecting two bog standard Vet 0 Pumas to take out a Pershing from the front. The IS-2's a different story, but it's getting its armour cut. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing23 Dec 2019, 19:11 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 19:06 PMJae For Jett Well, no amount of armor nerfing is going to help L2P issues. oof But in all seriousness, Pumas against a Pershing? How does that work? It sounds like a recipe for lots of shell bouncing and exploded Pumas. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing23 Dec 2019, 18:59 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 18:01 PMJae For Jett For axis, volume is the answer. Multiple stugs, multiple AT guns, even multiple pumas if you wanted to. Obviously allies have high pen TDs for their side. The reason why its hard to find "a unit" axis has to counter heavies is because the answer is multiple units. Those armour nerfs must be pretty hefty if Pumas are to be a heavy counter. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing23 Dec 2019, 14:53 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 14:11 PMmrgame2 Imo make Axis T4 units come back to life, then they no need to fall back to Tiger always. Sov could ignore IS2 and go for KV1 KV8 ISU, no problem Ukf can go for Croc or not, no problem I dont think Allies part have changed. Only IS2 is too sweet now with the shortened timing and realisation Axis have little counter. Mess with the Panther and you mess with the balance of non-heavy tank combat. The Brummbar and Panzerwerfer are irrelevant to the heavy tank problem. The solution to the heavy tank problem is to either to send them back to CP13 or to make their best counter not another heavy. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Light tanks pop cap increase?23 Dec 2019, 14:27 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 14:05 PMmrgame2 There is debate about Allies strong LV phase. Perhaps we should start by increasing their pop cap +1? T70 - 6 Luch - 6 FHT - 6 Puma - 7 222 - 4 Stuart - 6 M8 - 6 AEC - 6 That'd do pretty much nothing. Nobody is popcapped in the light vehicle phase. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing23 Dec 2019, 12:28 PM Jump back to quoted post23 Dec 2019, 03:29 AMmrgame2 How would this help Ost? If anything, it makes Ost even trickier late game The anonying allies LV are characterised by how hard for Ost to hit them under a good player. Faust is worse snare imo, because of long load times and line of sight. In mid-late games, Ost vehicles need more active invovlement. Putting additional status is a negative. In the mid-late, a snared tank is usually a dead tank. In the light vehicle phase, Ostheer has no light tank hunter. That means they usually rely on PGrens and Pak 40s to take out light vehicles. Engine damaged light vehicles can still outrun AT guns, making it pretty difficult for Ost to finish them off without a lucky teller. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing22 Dec 2019, 22:57 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 22:47 PMVipper Heavy stalling translates into "stockpiling" fuel instead of investing it in tech so that one can call in Super heavies a soon as they become available and replaced them. If one has to spend that fuel on tech one can not "stockpile" that fuel. There is nothing hypothetical here and I guess we both agree that "heavy stalling" went out the window as soon as Super heavies go tied to tech. Stalling for a heavy is waiting until you've got the resources for one instead of building something else. Go play semantics elsewhere. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing22 Dec 2019, 22:05 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 22:03 PMVipper If the CP remained the same and only tech requirement where introduced Super heavy stalling would not be viable so I am not sure if you understood my post. It is the changes in CP and the new AOE profiles that have created the "super heavy meta" which is different from "super heavy" stalling. Heavy stalling probably wouldn't be a thing if they'd stayed at CP13. But as we've never had tech tying with the classic CP caps, it's all hypothetical. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing22 Dec 2019, 21:59 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 21:33 PMSkysTheLimit Engine destroy for ramming a snared tank makes sense, but just throwing another snare at it shouldn't be the same. I think having to sacrifice a tank should get you more than throwing another at grenade/faust It could be Engine Overheat (so it wears off after a few seconds) so you have to keep expending snares to keep the tank controlled. Not cost efficient against multiple vehicles, but you could lock down one you've killed the support of long enough to kill it. You could also just make the engine damage of heavy tanks slower so AT guns can keep up. Currently they've got enough health to limp away, which makes AT guns less effective than they are against snared mediums (which they can kill before they leave range). Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 21:53 PMVipper Heavy tank stalling went out the window with introducing tech cost...CP change and AOE buffs is what creates the issues. Did you miss the World Championship? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Great OKW commander balancing22 Dec 2019, 21:24 PM Jump back to quoted post22 Dec 2019, 21:03 PMSander93 I personally think that even if the current situation isn't ideal, it's better than the heavy tank stalling meta that we've had over the last year. Oh, definitely. The current system is an enormous improvement over what came before it. A potentially novel solution: The T-34's Ram ability has a mechanic where, if the target already has Engine Damage, it inflicts Engine Destroyed. What if we extend this mechanic to normal snares? If you snare a vehicle that's already Engine Damaged, you inflict Engine Destroyed. (or a less extreme crit like Engine Overheated or Crew Shock). That'd add a significant weakness to overreliance on a single vehicle: a planned ambush or infantry flank can mobility kill it, allowing you to fight it with anti-tank guns. It'd also really help Ost in early-mid against lights. In: COH2 Balance