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Thread: OKW overhaul discussion2 Jan 2019, 22:28 PM This is probably stretching the scope, but what if you put the Goliath in T2? In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW overhaul discussion2 Jan 2019, 22:21 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2019, 22:17 PMSander93 Yeah, but the Stuka coming 45 fuel sooner is simply out of the question. It's already controversial how early it comes compared to other rocket arty (at T4). In team games it's usually easy to defend early Stuka(s) with mines, infantry and Rakettens alone. Maybe. The best solution IMO is to stick another unit in T2, but that's beyond the scope of what's being proposed in this thread. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Panzer Elite Inspired OKW Tech Structure2 Jan 2019, 22:17 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2019, 22:15 PM#12345678 I don't agree with the HQ cost revision. You are encouraging OKW player to build their HQs behind the nose of the Allies players by removing the cost of OKW HQs. The high cost of the OKW HQs will force the OKW player weigh between gain and risk to put their HQs at front. Now you completely destroy it by those free HQs. The HQs aren't free. Their cost is shifted to the truck itself. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Panzer Elite Inspired OKW Tech Structure2 Jan 2019, 21:41 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2019, 21:37 PMKatitof Considering the fact that USF got that kind of teching now, the chances to mirror teching of 2 factions together is rather non existent. USF has its T1 and T2 split in half with T3 remaining as a final armor tier, which is probably what'll actually happen to OKW if it gets any changes. This way has T1, T2 and T3 all buildable from the get go, with Battle Phase-like upgrades that unlock the units left to right. It's loosely similar to how CoH 1 Panzer Elite worked. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Panzer Elite Inspired OKW Tech Structure2 Jan 2019, 21:32 PM If you want to make a third truck a more painful investment, you can shift fuel from Mobilize Armor Divisions to the trucks, and increase starting fuel by the same amount. For example: Starting fuel from 10 FU to 30 FU. SwS truck to from 20 FU to 40 FU. Mobilize Armor Divisions from 115 FU to 95 FU. That preserves the teching speeds, but makes building a third truck/rebuilding a lost truck cost 40 FU instead of 20 FU. It's quite a flexible balancing dial. I'm actually going to tweak the truck cost up to 30. That feels about right to replace a lost truck. Still less than live, but you can't just throw them away. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Panzer Elite Inspired OKW Tech Structure2 Jan 2019, 21:13 PM I wrote this for the OKW rework thread, but it's somewhat too extensive to be something Relic would ever consider for an overhaul. Nevertheless, I thought it was neat and pretty different to how other CoH 2 factions work, so I decided to post it as its own thread to see what people think. It might make an interesting mod or something. General Starting fuel from 5 to 20. Volksgrenadier Panzerfausts and StGs now require Mobilize Light Armor Divisions. Obersoldaten LMG34 now requires Mobilize Heavy Armor Divisions. Sturmpioneer Panzershreck removed. Goliath removed from Overwatch Doctrine. Special Operations Flares replaced with IR Halftrack. SwS Halftrack Price from 100 MP 15 FU to 200 MP 30 FU. Convert to Battlegroup Headquarters no longer costs resources. Convert to Mechanized Headquarters no longer costs resources. Convert to Schwerer Panzer Headquarters no longer costs resources, and is no longer locked behind another truck. Headquarters Units: Sturmpioneer Squad Volksgrenadier Squad Kubelwagen Raketenwerfer Upgrades: Mobilize Light Armor Divisions 100 MP, 45 FU, requires one truck set up) Unlocks blue units and upgrades. Mobilize Heavy Armor Divisions 100 MP, 105 FU, requires two trucks set up) Unlocks red units and upgrades. This tech is a prerequisite for unlocking the King Tiger. Battlegroup Headquarters Units: Panzerjager Light Infantry 4 man squad armed with light Panzerbusche AT rifles that damage both infantry and light vehicles. with performance similar to Tank Hunter Infantry sections. Can upgrade, replacing the Panzerbusches with Panzerschrecks, sacrificing their AI capability entirely for better AT performance. le.IG 18 Infantry Support Gun Flak Halftrack Jagdpanzer IV Mechanzied Headquarters Units: Obersoldaten Stuka zu Fuss Puma Armored Car Panzer IV Schwerer Panzer Headquarters Units: HMG34 Heavy Machine Gun Goliath Panzer II Luchs Panther Upgrades: Calibrate Flak Gun 100 MP, 15 FU Enables the gun on the SPHQ. Now performs like an OKW Flak Halftrack/Flak Emplacement. This is now a much lower investment weapon: less powerful, but much less costly to replace. The idea is the trucks themselves are relatively cheap: 200 MP, 20 FU each, and each has some basic units in it. You can set a truck up pretty fast, so you're not forced to build more than two units from the HQ building. Sideteching is not ideal but is doable, like Soviet and new USF. The new Panzerjager squad frees Sturmpioneers from the AT role. They're like Tank Hunter Sections early on and should have the AI firepower of a 4 man Volksgrenadier squad. This gives them a use early on when there aren't many vehicles about, then they can upgrade to full AT squads later on. Teching speeds to medium armor should be the same as a Mechanized build with the live version of OKW. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: OKW overhaul discussion2 Jan 2019, 20:46 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2019, 19:28 PMSander93 I like those changes, good and simple. Sadly the mechanized kinda spoils it. Then again, it could simply not unlock anything (except MG34 from T0) before the upgrade so it can just serve as a cheaper repair station for Battlegroup into Schwerer strats and not change anything for Mechanized strats. This setup would make back teching a lot more forgiving which is nice, since the last major patch did try to adress that but was only able to put it down 5 fuel. I will put this suggestion in the OP soon. As is, unactivated Mechanized does give you the Stuka, so Battlegroup builds do get a little more than repair pioneers out of it. Were I not trying to keep it as simple as possible, I'd probably have gone for vertical tech, like the Panzer Elite. That change is pretty extensive though, so I'll post it as another thread rather than derail this one. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW overhaul discussion2 Jan 2019, 18:41 PM It could, but that's getting into deeper overhauls. The whole idea here is keeping the changes as minimal as possible to get them past the Relicdar. If more extensive changes weren't counterproductive to that, I'd have put the Stuka in T3, Obersoldaten in T1 and the Goliath and MHT in T2. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: OKW overhaul discussion2 Jan 2019, 17:44 PM OKW has a similar problem to old USF: it's stuck in T0 for a very long time, forcing it to spam out a load of infantry because it has no other option. The USF overhaul solved this by lowering the initial teching costs to give USF access to a greater variety of manpower based units sooner, while adding sidetechs to preserve vehicle timings. So here's what I've got: SwS Supply Truck Convert To Battlegroup Headquarters is now free. Convert To Mechanized Headquarters is now free. Convert To Schwerer Panzer Headquarters is now free, and does not require another truck set up. The flak gun starts disabled. Battlegroup Headquarters New upgrade: Activate Battlegroup Headquarters (200 MP, 25 FU). Unlocks the IR Halftrack and Flak Halftrack. The medics upgrade is now a prerequiste to reinforce from the Battlegroup Headquarters. Mechanized Headquarters New upgrade: Activate Mechanized Headquarters (200 MP, 45 FU). Unlocks the Panzer II Luchs and Puma. Schwerer Panzer Headquarters New upgrade: Activate Schwerer Panzer Headquarters (200 MP, 120 FU, requires one activated headquarters.) Unlocks the Panzer IV, Jagdpanzer IV and Panther. Enables the flak gun. King Tiger Requires three activated Headquarters. Obersoldaten MG34 upgrade requires Activate Schwerer Panzer Headquarters. It's a lot of text, but in practice it's very simple: the trucks only cost the 100 MP 15 FU the truck itself costs to set up, but all they can do is build their manpower units. They've then got a USF-style sidetech to unlock the vehicles. This means OKW can potentially build a tech unit as their third squad. They even have the option of going early Obersoldaten (minus LMG34s) if they're willing to spend 100 MP 15 FU to unlock just them and have an unarmed Schwerer Panzer Headquarters on the field for a long time. A secondary benefit is Mechanized OKW builds can now get medics for 250 MP 30 FU, rather than the 450 MP 40 FU it currently costs them, and Battlegroup builds have much cheaper access to the Walking Stuka. Hypothetically, you could rush a Stuka 45 FU faster now too, but you'd have nothing but Raketenwerfers and Volksgrenadiers to protect it. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: About upcoming new commanders2 Jan 2019, 16:39 PM Jump back to quoted post2 Jan 2019, 15:46 PMOsinyagov What kind of a question is that? It's not connected with the thread at all. Just say it directly - you disagree with my idea. It's easy. I was trying to establish in principle if you think underused commanders should be removed. It's very difficult to get a straight answer out of you on that. The only difference in practice between your idea and Relic's current plan is in yours an old commander gets removed from the game. In: Lobby