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Thread: The Overwatch Problem18 Jan 2019, 12:57 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Jan 2019, 12:41 PMVipper Sector assault is problematic, on the other hand: I suggest you leave infantry inside the IL-2 loiter or tanks inside the JStuka AT loiter and check how "soft" they will become. Don't get me wrong, a skillplane will get wipes if you try to tank it. But a squad or two. Not your whole army. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Overwatch Problem18 Jan 2019, 12:29 PM If you stay in the circle of a normal skillplane loiter, you can expect your tanks to take a load of damage and your infantry squads to get suppressed and generally softened up. It does a lot of damage. Stay in Sector Assault's circle and your army gets deleted. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How would you like the JLI to be nerfed?18 Jan 2019, 12:12 PM Jump back to quoted post18 Jan 2019, 12:02 PMKirrik Current JLI and Overwatch in it's current state is not enough proof for you? Also 5 man Grenadiers with G43 being basically better Riflemen? No. That's not proof. Balancing a game with this many moving parts is difficult. I see no reason to believe the balance patch is some sort of Axis fanboy conspiracy over it simply not being a perfectly balanced patch. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How would you like the JLI to be nerfed?18 Jan 2019, 11:59 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Jan 2019, 10:36 AMKirrik Funny thing, this kind of screwed up mentality among mod team is exactly what led them to this debacle in first place. It appears certain members of team believe that German units should be plain better than their Allied counterparts just because they are German, which led to JLI buff despite JLI already being vastly superior to Pathfinders even before buff That's a pretty unfounded accusation. JLI are a broken mess because the Balance Team has very limited feedback tools for testing their changes: they're reliant on player feedback from testing the preview mod and that feedback is both limited and unreliable. There were literally complaints about the old Sector Assault being removed, which is why they crowbared two commander abilities together (Goliaths and warning flares) to shove it back in. Under the circumstances mistakes are completely understandable. I just wish we had more information about what's going to be done to fix them. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Overwatch Problem18 Jan 2019, 11:49 AM Jump back to quoted post18 Jan 2019, 01:47 AMSkysTheLimit That's literally not what it is. Because planes deliver the payload, you can move units outside the circle and they can still be bombed if the tracking locked on before they left. Zeroing arty will never fire shells outside the radius. AOE/Scatter could cause damage to splash over the edge, but its very different from Sector Assault. If it's more powerful than Zeroing Arty, then it should be more than 300 munitions. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: The Overwatch Problem18 Jan 2019, 01:26 AM It's Zeroing Arty in effect. Anything that stays in the circle dies. Zeroing Arty is 300 munitions iirc. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How would you like the JLI to be nerfed?17 Jan 2019, 23:58 PM Without G43, JLI has similar combat performance as Pathfinder Which is a 290 MP squad with two mini-sniper rifles. If they performed like Pathfinders they'd be fine. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How would you like the JLI to be nerfed?17 Jan 2019, 17:45 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2019, 16:51 PMSander93 To me this does not sound any different from Ostheer having to go Mobile Defense to get the Puma counter to the T-70. Some great units just require specific counters. It doesn't sound much different from snipers either. Picking 20 range cover fights against JLI is literally the worst way to go up against them. And it would matter much less if there are only 1-2 JLI squads going up against the usual 3 Riflemen with LT and/or Captain with light vehicle or HMG support. I think the JLI problem is blown way out of proportions and that they will be much more balanced when they can't be spammed anymore. It's definitely dangerous to overnerf them at this point because you'd risk them ending up never being used again. They need to be good to have a place between the cost effective Volks and the god tier Obers AI specialist. You don't have to go Mobile Defence Puma to counter a T-70. You never did. Ost has plenty of solid AT tools and panzerfausts on their mainline infantry from the start. If the Puma were mandatory, it wouldn't have disappeared after being tied to tech. Some great units just require specific counters. It doesn't sound much different from snipers either. Snipers cost about 360 manpower and get wiped if you pull off a light vehicle dive against them. JLI just bleed a little. Picking 20 range cover fights against JLI is literally the worst way to go up against them. LMG Paratroopers are a 380 manpower, 120 munition, CP3 unit specialized for long range combat. JLI are currently fighting on their level in cover. And it would matter much less if there are only 1-2 JLI squads going up against the usual 3 Riflemen with LT and/or Captain with light vehicle or HMG support. Unless they're hard limited they'll still get spammed. I think the JLI problem is blown way out of proportions and that they will be much more balanced when they can't be spammed anymore. It's definitely dangerous to overnerf them at this point because you'd risk them ending up never being used again. JLI being nerfed out of the game is frankly better than them continuing in their current design form. An infantry unit that negates cover has to be balanced VERY carefully. The new JLI were not. Balance aside, JLI in their current form are an Advanced Emplacements level design fuckup. CP1 long-range cover negation does not make a game based around maneuver and positioning fun. It makes it a blobfest. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How would you like the JLI to be nerfed?17 Jan 2019, 17:19 PM JLI by itself will always be vulnerable to CQC and lack of snares - that will never change so it'll always be "trashy by itself" to some degree. Not at CP1. The design of the unit is the fundamental problem. They either need to have very low damage without another unit setting up their crits, or they need to be subject to the cover mechanics. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: How would you like the JLI to be nerfed?17 Jan 2019, 16:30 PM Jump back to quoted post17 Jan 2019, 15:32 PMEtherealDragon I would say the obvious option of a price increase combined with a slight increase in upgrade cost and keep at CP1. Say 280-300 MP and 60 Munis? If that's not enough I would say tone down their Sniper bonus against yellow and heavy cover - I think a lot of spamming potential comes from the fact that the G43 essentially ignores cover and when you combine that with the high Critical threshold things get silly fast. Increasing to 2 CP is the wrong way to go about it because then you are just back to spamming Volks because they take too long to unlock where the higher MP and Muni cost limits their early game spamability potential similar to the way 1 CP would. A price hike's not going to do it: a CP1 cover-negating frontline combat squad is going to be a problem unless you hike it into irrelevance. The balance team needs to decide if this is a support squad or a combat squad. If it's a support squad, it needs to be pretty trashy when by itself. If it's a combat squad, it needs to lose its anti-cover buffs. Otherwise picking Overwatch or Scavenge means cover isn't a thing for your opponent and the game's going to degrade into CQC and MG spam. In: COH2 Balance