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Thread: Heavy Tank killer and Comander choice for 2v2.11 Oct 2017, 21:11 PM Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2017, 20:43 PMZombiFrancis Actually if penals lost access to satchels and ptrs upgrades if their t1 is lost, that would be absolutely fine. Even preferable. But remember penal ptrs and satchels weren't made by relic devs. It makes sense there's discrepancies between the designs. Relic implements the changes and have full responsibility for the them. Penal had satchel and flamers before that patch but they did not lose access to them when T1 was lost, neither do conscripts lose access molotovs and AT grenades if they lose the base building. Discrepancies that serve no purpose should be removed. This is quite irrelevant to OP, so lets try to get back on subject. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Scout cars suck11 Oct 2017, 20:21 PM Transport capability could stay, fire from garrison is the issue. Even that could stay but simply delayed via an upgrade that required some tech. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Heavy Tank killer and Comander choice for 2v2.11 Oct 2017, 20:18 PM Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2017, 19:38 PMferwiner Ostheer tier 1 is a very cheap and small building. This makes it ideal as a forward reinforce on the border of the base and it is very often used in that fashion. A decision to put your T1 in front is generally very beneficial but, as everything in well designed rts, has its downsides. The most important one is that if such placement makes you lose the building you are prone to vehicle rush into the base. That is why you may consider not stretching the forward placement too much and hiding a building behind the hedge for example. This is a perfect example of good, interesting design right there. No changes needed. This hardly a good designed mechanism, it actually pretty bad, if it was Penal battalion should lose their satchel charges and PTRS upgrades if Soviet T1 was destroyed for the exact same reasons. Of course you are entitled to your opinion. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Heavy Tank killer and Comander choice for 2v2.11 Oct 2017, 16:59 PM Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2017, 16:47 PMferwiner Ostheer T1 is the cheapest tier building in whole game. Why wouldn't you just rebuild it if you lose it? It is not a question of rebuilding the t1, there is no reason for this mechanism. Other faction do not lose their snare even if they lose all buildings. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Heavy Tank killer and Comander choice for 2v2.11 Oct 2017, 15:02 PM Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2017, 14:42 PMZombiFrancis Yes, though it is a munitions expenditure that is hard for ostheer to make up. That faust can delay infantry healing or a flamethrower for an engagement or two. Though technically I believe the faust requires T1 to be built. So I think if in the course of the game if the t1 building is destroyed, the grens on the field lose fausts. I could be mistaken though as this is not a common occurance. Faust for grenadier/ostruppen requires the t1 building to exist, so it can become unavailable. Imo it should become also available with BP 1 (at least for the Grenadiers that is). On subject the spotting from IR can be very helpful. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: OCTOBER 10th PATCH11 Oct 2017, 12:09 PM Jump back to quoted post11 Oct 2017, 11:40 AMSenseo1990 This is not a better looking texture. They just removed Nazi symbols. but actually there where no such symbols to begin with... Simply people seeing things that they are not there. In: Lobby
Thread: Ægion's Experimental Balance Changes MKIII10 Oct 2017, 14:18 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2017, 09:56 AMAngrade (Ægion) Royal Engineers ... -no longer have access to destroy cover seeing it can destroy barb wire too early in the game ... Destroy cover is actually essential since it clears areas for emplacement positioning. The ability is truly OP but unless one find another way of emplacement building not being blocked by word objects it is necessary. It could require sweepers or have some cost or longer CD but imo it needed or one could make wire immune to the damage. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Ægion's Experimental Balance Changes MKIII9 Oct 2017, 21:38 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2017, 20:03 PMAngrade (Ægion) Trying to balance penals can be quite hard. You can not have them overlap with other units or else they would over shadow them. Conscripts act like a reserve unit, guard are long range, and shocks are close range. What my idea is for them is to make them a mid range fighter. Riflemen are an excellent example of a mid range fighter. The penal rifle has not changed so model per model, penals long range damage is similar to a riflemen, but they do not have the same close range damage. I could change back their target size to 1 so they are still weaker than riflemen. Additionally. I could rework the satchel charge as well. http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=riflemen_squad_mp http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=penal_battalion_mp Thanks for reading and responding to my post. Imo Penal as an elite infantry is wrong as a concept since since the faction has access to doctrinal elite infantry and one run the risk of the "riflemen syndrome". (although most USF elite infantry are great they see little use due to the effectiveness of Penals) My suggestion for Penal has been for a cheap offensive infantry which suits the unit thematically and faction factional. One then would have to redesign conscripts as a defensive unit. Then their will be enough room for both units. In: COH2 Gameplay
Thread: Some concerns with Panzerfuseliers.9 Oct 2017, 16:53 PM Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2017, 15:37 PMelchino7 Because DPS is not the stat to rule them all. Performance of units is relative to faction and cost opportunity. For ex: if any faction other than USF had Paratroopers, i bet we would see them more frequently. Same with the commander/tier they are part from. The problem i see with Penals is the fact that you ONLY get penals instead of a mix bag with conscripts. One could play with vet requirements for sure, but if more, why would i even bother going T1. And if that would be the case, why i would even play SU at that point (unless other changes are done). I never argued that DPS is that "rules", I am simply saying that if PF vet DPS bonuses need a nerf so does Penals. And half the issues mentioned in OP apply to Penals also. And since you brought faction design giving Soviet's a "Riflemen" equivalent in Penals make little sense because of they completely different faction design. Imo the fact that faction showdown Soviet played penal only and won all games is strong indication that the unit is OP. Are PF OP? imo yes simply because their performance is close to Penal's performance (who are a bigger issue atm). If you want talk about Soviet design imo Soviet infantry should be split to defensive infantry (conscripts) and cheap offensive infantry Penals. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Some concerns with Panzerfuseliers.9 Oct 2017, 11:55 AM Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2017, 10:54 AMMr.Smith Pfussies also get passive sprint and better RA than Penal Battalions, on top of everything else. They do. They also come later, are doctrinal, get those bonuses you mentioned above vet 3 and have higher XP value. When it comes to DPS and DPS vet bonuses I don't really see how they are more OP when compared to Penals, since Penal will probably achieve vet 3 faster and will be more power at vet 3 than PF. If one reads my previous post one will see that imo compared to grenadiers (the benchmark) this unis is OP. Once more imo has to first set the level and balance the stock units that are available before minute and then fine tune doctrinal units. Easy fixes like pop, sight and permanent sprint can be implement regardless. In: COH2 Balance