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Thread: P-47 Rocket Strike vs Stuka Close Air Support [VIDEO Proof]26 Sep 2017, 15:08 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2017, 14:39 PMEsxile There is no issue with Stuka close air support the ability is balance from my point of view. I find it too cost effective. I also find the lighting commander too strong in 1vs1. G43 allows delayed t2, Tiger is one of the few viable option for Ostheer and Stuka allows the Tiger to fight back even when swarmed. On the other hand given the current state of Ostheer, imo the issue is less important (than the performance of loitering planes across the modes). Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2017, 14:39 PMEsxile But it is interesting that you don't want the P47 being equally powerful and do the job it was design for. Read my post from start, you will get a bigger picture. The P47 "Job it is designed to do" is not a one button hard counter to axis super heavy tanks that would nullify them. As I have explained I have played the game when P47 was devastating and the game was ugly. And once again loitering planes do not need simple changes but an overhaul. Their performance is very inconstant across modes. And finally once more making abilities identical does necessarily promotes balance since each faction is designed to different strength and weakness (and off-maps is one of this design characteristics.) For instance giving soviet the power UKF off map abilities would make them OP. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: P-47 Rocket Strike vs Stuka Close Air Support [VIDEO Proof]26 Sep 2017, 12:40 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2017, 12:31 PMEsxile Is Stuka close Air Support balance? If yes, make a clone of it with the same price. Ok then lets make stuka dive bombing a clone of "Allied air supremacy" and "light artillery barrage" a clone of "artillery cover". As I have explained in previous posts, cloning things does not make things balanced unless you clone the entire faction and commander. As I have explained in previous posts, most of issue of "stuka close air support" come from the commander design that include g43/tiger/stuka. As I have explained in previous posts, all loitering planes need an overhaul since planes are hard to counter in 1v1 and very in 4vs4. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: British royal arty needs to require LOS26 Sep 2017, 12:17 PM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2017, 11:31 AMjagd wölfe In pratical terms a few inconsistencies can be buffed and cheese nerfed, and we are lucky if it happens..unfortunately. The problem is a bit deeper because 25p arty is also available to tommies and sniper and has very little friendly fire damage, while the whole faction lucks early indirect fire support. I would try making pyrotechnics ungraded that gave tommies scoped Enfield took all weapons slot, removed cover bonus and reduced moving penalties (turning them into a normal infantry) while separating barrage from the first 25p with smoke barrage and second with high explosive. That make thing easier to balance. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: British royal arty needs to require LOS26 Sep 2017, 11:26 AM The anvil artillery has zero scatter making it problematic. On the other hand 25 artillery is rather useless. The whole 25p need to be reworked (actually the UKF faction needs to be reworked). In: COH2 Balance
Thread: P-47 Rocket Strike vs Stuka Close Air Support [VIDEO Proof]26 Sep 2017, 09:55 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2017, 09:14 AMEsxile Lol, what should the P47 counter in that case. Abilities should assist you win fights not win you the game. I am sure you can understand that using "stuka bombing" in base or "artillery cover" countering everything did not make the game better or more balanced, and where changed. Expecting P47 to perform like "Air supremacy operation" (as mentioned by Bizorck)(an ability almost broken) does not make sense. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: P-47 Rocket Strike vs Stuka Close Air Support [VIDEO Proof]26 Sep 2017, 08:30 AM Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2017, 00:41 AMelchino7 ISG AA (live) is 100 range, same as 120mm mortar. 105 at vet 1 and 140ish (barrage) with vet 3. Equal scatter with OH mortar on AA. Mortar barrage has less scatter. ISG has way less scatter on both modes. If Pack Howie gets vet2, it doubles the scatter so it's way more RNG. Actually at vet 2 only the barrage is affected not the normal shots, since its replaced by "Heat Barrage" The Heat barrage gets 2X more damage and 300 penetration. It also gets double "scatter max distance" but that does not translates in actual more scatter chance, since it is basically upper limit the weapon can scatter. The value that matter are angle_scatter and Distance_scatter_ratio. Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2017, 06:28 AMjagd wölfe Pack howie: Range 160 Auto 80 Isg: Range 100 Auti 80 There is nothing that outrange pack. Leig has an auto attack and barrage range of 100. It get a 5% range at vet 1 for both modes. All this have very little to with P47 thou. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: Some concerns with Panzerfuseliers.26 Sep 2017, 08:10 AM Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2017, 23:05 PMLoopDloop Lol at partysans do not equal falls or pfusies... Never made any such claim. If you want to understand what I wrote read the sectioned I quoted and my reply. Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2017, 03:57 AMgbem a nugget of information you should note is the DPS and range of the IS-2 and pershing in contrast to the KT.. hell even a panther.... although the IS-2 has the armor of the KT it has 13.49(!!!) far DPS and a measly 40 range in contrast to the KT`s 21.55 and 45 range... 1) IS-2 gets a range increase at vet 2 up to 50. 2) KT is facing TDs with range 60 that have a 15 range advantage over it, while IS-2 is facing Stugs and Panthers that have a 10 range advantage over it. 3) As they explained to DPS without factoring in target size and armor means little. Jump back to quoted post26 Sep 2017, 03:57 AMgbem now lets compare the SU-85 and the JP4 28.88 far dps 185 penetration 230 armor 20 rotation rate 5.7 top speed and stealth capabilities(!!) for the JP4 25.48 far dps 230 penetration 160 armor 22 rotation rate and 5.5 top speed for the SU-85 This is an actual comparison of the JP and Su-85 Time to kill JP vs IS2 JP4 vet0 65.25 - 85.25 vet 3 50.74 - 66.27 Su-85 vs King Tiger Su-85 SU-85 vet0 62.40 - 79.35 vet 3 36.81 - 50.52 https://www.coh2.org/topic/56469/tank-destroyer-time-to-kill-stats In: COH2 Balance
Thread: P-47 Rocket Strike vs Stuka Close Air Support [VIDEO Proof]25 Sep 2017, 22:58 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2017, 22:26 PMBizrock So you think Ostheers can't have 2 panther and a pak and still have a lot of infantry? Same as OKW with JGTiger and one reketen and still have infantry. I have played many 2vs2 games and as far as remember I have never managed to survive as Ostheer to late game (build T4 and 2 Panthers) relying in single pak as you describe in you scenario. It is simply not realistic. Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2017, 22:26 PMBizrock P47 is an Expensive late game ability and should be efficient. And you still have the chance to escape and to avoid. Like Air Supremacy Operation. JT comes later and is a far more expensive ability, so in that sense, calling a P47 should not be able to hard counter a JT. That is exactly my point, P47 should not become "air supremacy operation" a badly designed ability with no counter, than to retreat and pray that enemy planes will stop before bombing you base. Keep also in mind that USF and UKF are completely differently designed faction and UKF are designed to have powerful off map abilities. Asking for USF to equally powerful off map does not mean that it would actually help balance. In: COH2 Balance
Thread: P-47 Rocket Strike vs Stuka Close Air Support [VIDEO Proof]25 Sep 2017, 22:21 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2017, 22:08 PMBizrock Thats why I said, you have the ability to COUNTER "TANK BLOOBS" (because p47 it not good with spread tanks) and MAY have chance to win since p47 still die to Flak. My gosh you guys need to learn to read... I can read just fine thanks. I simply disagree with what your proposing. As I have explained loitering planes need a redesign so that they are not OP in small modes and UP in large modes (planes can be shot down before even firing). In your hypothetical scenario the axis have invested around 2.290 manpower and 595 fuel in AT only assets (without counting tech cost), so there is no reason for allies to use armor to attack them. One can use infantry and ATG to counter Ostheer Panthers and JTs... In: COH2 Balance
Thread: P-47 Rocket Strike vs Stuka Close Air Support [VIDEO Proof]25 Sep 2017, 21:49 PM Jump back to quoted post25 Sep 2017, 21:41 PMBizrock ... 4) Use the real punisher of tank bloobs, the p47 rocket Strafe run that has been balanced because we had a conclusion that USF may need this ability to this kind of situation. And now can flank with your Jacksons while the enemy is kiting the the p47 and they can not stay stationary so you have the advantage and win the game. Turning any off map ability into ticket to win is actually bad for the game... In: COH2 Balance