How are Infantrysections since patch?

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 11:18 AMJibberJabberJobber

I feel it would be better to decrease Bren gun cost from 45 to like 35-40 munitions to improve how quickly they scale, rather than increasing how much they scale.

These types of changes result in powercreep. Mid/lategame Tommies don't have a problem against Ostheer infantry, but only struggle against some OKW elites. With such a change I see Grenadiers requiring a buff in a followup patch (also because of the Riflemen near accuracy change) and thus the cycle of buffs continues.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 08:52 AMSupport Sapper

What buff ? They have just been neft latest patch. Lose sandbags ? But to who, who can built sandbags for them in the whole early game?

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 14:23 PMelchino7

What if:

-Bolsters is made cheaper
-Bolster occupies a weapon slot.
-Bolster is made to be a mp based upgrade, not automatically granted. You can opt to have a 4 man squad with 2x weapons or 1x weapon and 5 man.
-Make AT Rifle IS come vanilla as 5 man.


You will always struggle if you don't address the elephant on the room.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 16:19 PMsrider

The issue at this point is that the nerf did not achieve the intended effect in making bolster a meaningful choice, but rather the opposite in that bolster is essentially a required upgrade now.

The suggestion given does alleviate the issue of bolster acting as an overall delay in tech currently, but it still doesn't make the weapon rack/bolster tech decision a meaningful one as higher survivability pays higher dividend overall due to the cover mechanic. It will almost always be better to go with 5 man even at the cost of losing a weapon slot, and making it cheaper makes it an even more no-brainer.

It would be an interesting exercise to test, but my feeling is that the solution maybe lies in other units. The nerf was warranted and I don't think it should be reverted, but how to shift the dependency on sections should be the goal.

Jump back to quoted post7 Oct 2019, 19:47 PMPereat

Dude, are you illiterate? What is it that you are trying to write? The topic is UKF and why their premium price infantry should perform adequately. Its clear UKF is more expensive than both axis factions. Stop writing the opposite with hopes that people will believe that nonsense. All I see is guys with axis avatars nodding along to half baked sentences.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 17:57 PMNorthFireZ

Out of cover at close range one unbolstered Tommies lose to a Gren now.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 14:23 PMelchino7

What if:

-Bolsters is made cheaper
-Bolster occupies a weapon slot.
-Bolster is made to be a mp based upgrade, not automatically granted. You can opt to have a 4 man squad with 2x weapons or 1x weapon and 5 man.
-Make AT Rifle IS come vanilla as 5 man.


You will always struggle if you don't address the elephant on the room.

Tommys

Cost from 280 to 270
Vet 3 accuracy bonus increased from 20% to 25%

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 18:45 PMthedarkarmadillo

This is the way I would have it as well. Although I'd take it a step further
All upgrades (pyro/medic/bolstered) take up a slot.
Bren buffed slightly to still be decent without 2 but not overbearing when doubled.
Medic stays as is
Pyro gets smoke as well as arty flares (maybe even false flares?) to make it an attractive choice.
Bolster is self explanatory
And not upgraded has the benifit of double arming

This way NO upgrade is a choice as well. It gives 4 avenues for Tommies to tailor to and each has their draws.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 19:03 PMShadowLinkX37

TFW rifles are more expensive than tommies

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 14:25 PMachpawel

The incoming buff for IS (next patch) should be connectd with giving sandbags to grens to compenste for improved tommies (from the next patch) and buffed rifles and cons (from the last patch)

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 19:33 PMKatitof

The buff comes to IS, because they are overnerfed.

There is nothing wrong with grens, therefore there is nothing to give them.
Pios already build sandbags specifically for grens and HMGs and that isn't going to change, regardless if you post it 10, 100 or 10000 times, so quit it already, its boring.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 00:53 AMachpawel

Just had a few games with UK and, well, they're not so bad.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 00:53 AMachpawel

If you support them with an mg or uc they are really strong imo. They can build cover themselves and if you use it they are still very strong.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 00:53 AMachpawel

If you play them ostheer style they are more than ok.

Jump back to quoted post8 Oct 2019, 19:10 PMLago

This sounds solid, but you'll probably want to give Sections an extra slot if you do that. Otherwise that's a heavy nerf.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 01:09 AMSupport Sapper

A few game...



Tommy can be good while camping cover but you cant do that all the time because there are always situations require you to move out and attack. For now event moving between covers is punishing to tommy, how can you make offence action with that.



Not so sure about this since ukf dont have mobile smoke to cover flanking, dont have cqb specialist with nuke nade for offending, dont have stock flamer for housse clearing.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 01:24 AMthedarkarmadillo

coupled with the price nerf/vet increase they are getting and a re balancing of the bren (good enough to be worth using with 1 slot but not so good that 2 turn them into obersoldaten) i think it would be ok.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2019, 01:32 AMSupport Sapper

If bren can be re-profiled to be solid event when using only one, then bolster upgrade sure can take a slot and required purchase for each squad. But if medic and pyro take a slot then they should have more bonuses.