OKW September patch discussion

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 01:00 AMSmiling Tiger

The KT can't be a "go-to thing in every single game" because of it's very high price and teching requirements. Many games don't even last long enough for the KT to arrive.

What exactly is it that is supposed to make the KT a viable alternative? It's not it's AI because the P4 and Ostwind are better, it's not it's AT because the Jagdtiger and Panther are better, so surley it must be it's status as a generalist but what's the point of an expensive generalist if it doesnt even outperform the medium generalist at AI?

It's AT can't be improved because it's already very good and it's speed keeps it from securing it's own kills especially now that blitz was moved to vet 3 so it needs better AI to be a generalist worth it's cost.

Right now the KT is a slow veterancy sponge that can push away armor but not kill it because speed and only has regular lever AI, it's simply not worth the risk of saving up for it especially since it can be flanked so easily because of it's incredibly slow turret rotation and has extreme difficulty escaping. I appreciate that they lowered Spearhead to Vet 1 because the suppression is great but it either needs betted AI to perform better as a generalist or it needs a bit better turret rotation or speed to keep it from being flanked as easily.

Jump back to quoted post20 Aug 2019, 21:43 PMthedarkarmadillo

i know you were, which is why i did the math to include soviet t1. and my point stands, the unit cost is significantly higher and hell, even the teching cost is comparable to the cost of the kuble, theres no reason it shouldn't gulp it down, especially when you consider the power difference that 10mp in the same tier allows for the additional 120mp and 25 fuel are absolutely justification.

Jump back to quoted post20 Aug 2019, 21:43 PMthedarkarmadillo

the speed compounds throughout the early game though. being able to send your sturm and first volks to Bee line the enemy cut off while the kuble can zip around and back cap with less down time makes a difference, add in being able to cause bleed without taking any if it does run into something, or being able to quickly respond to even the other side of the map if say combat engies try and decap are very powerful. volks are just infinitly better investmen because they havnt a downside to write about for their price and will scale all game long. but thats not a kuble problem...

also, even in crossing in the woods, a volks kuble build will have sturms, volks and a kuble on the opposite cut off WITH terretory capped before a soviet player even has the resources to build a scout car. thats a lot of fire power to bring to bear, especially given the speed that the kuble can move on past that and grab ground after the initial clash.

Jump back to quoted post20 Aug 2019, 21:39 PMSkysTheLimit

Consistency with other airborne? The others do get choices, so maybe falls should get another upgrade path

Jump back to quoted post20 Aug 2019, 21:55 PMSkysTheLimit

Why are you comparing smgs and carbines to fg42s? You're still not making any sense...

Patch falls are cheaper than both Paras and commandos, and get 2 free fg42s

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 09:20 AMJilet

Everyone is saying that you should pick your fight. But the thing is Falls camo will open up once you step out of cover and even a single hit or random mortar AOE will prevent achieving this task. Give it the commando camo without the ambush bonus and they will be fine.

Jump back to quoted post20 Aug 2019, 20:47 PMPrinceps

sure only allies should have A move inf play... and than nerf volks pls.

And why are they not supposed to beat theam ? who said this ? some allied fan boy?

I feel Luftwaffe will become a top 3 OKW commander anyway

Yeah but why ? not because its so good. or the nerf/buff had change anything ... they still dying like flys.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 11:43 AMthedarkarmadillo

@vipper even without tech the M3a1 is significantly more expensive. The fact that it requires tech while the Kuble does not is just additional justification.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 11:43 AMthedarkarmadillo

Also you yourself felt the DSHK was OP, but nobody knew because maxim spam was meta. Sometimes a unit can be fine (or OP) but we don't know because it doesn't see action as there is an easier option. As long as volks are the most attractive option since forever any way to make the Kuble more attractive means making it too strong for a 210mo no tech starting unit that can be turned into fuel when it dies...

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 02:29 AMMazianni

Just make Falls a 5-man squad with 3 Volks k98s and two FG-42. Same RA. Reduce the reinforce cost to 30/33. Boom. 300/330MP airborne deployable infantry squad with all their abilities and camo but no quad BARs BS.

Falls become one of the least squishy squads in the game and keep concentrated DPS and their ambush camo, abilities etc, but aren't terminators designed to replace obers and kill everything on the map. Everyone wins. No further upgrades besides maybe a 60muni 40muni(?) triple volks MP-40 upgrade (definitely not stormtrooper MP-40s). Said upgrade would however prevent picking up BARs and LMGs and whatnot.

Anyone who thinks such a 5-man camo squad with 0.85 0.83 base RA, a snare, frag grenade, smoke grenade, and two free BARs would be useless is also either kidding themselves or just wants Falls to be better Obers or something.

EDIT: I think Falls reinforcement time should also be reduced a bit, or at least that it should be during the ability which allows them to reinforce anywhere on the field. Presently that bonus ability really doesn't benefit them that much considering how slow to reinforce they are.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 14:15 PMSkysTheLimit

They don't have to start with kar98ks. I think they just don't want them to start with fg42s

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 14:54 PMVipper

The point I have made is that unit is not consistent with paras and is simply is inferior to them. More expensive, less entities, easier to wiped during drop, no demo charges and standard weapons instead of elite make the weak when entering the field.

Imo OKW fall should be redesign as infiltration unit since it fits OKW thematically, less overlap with obers and currently OKW do not have access to such unit.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 14:54 PMVipper

The point I have made is that unit is not consistent with paras and is simply is inferior to them. More expensive, less entities, easier to wiped during drop, no demo charges and standard weapons instead of elite make the weak when entering the field.

Jump back to quoted post21 Aug 2019, 15:53 PMSkysTheLimit

Yeah you've made your point clear. I am just trying to explain Relic/balance teams reasoning. I have no particular attachment to any idea about falls