Soviet General Faction Changes - New cmdr mod 5.0

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2019, 22:38 PMcomm_ash

Cover bonus is too high IMO, but other than that the conscript buff is balanced. It makes more sense in the context of the unit to increase the squad size than to give them an upgrade, and it also synergizes with their abilities.

Part of the discussion needs to be on what the upgrade is worth/ should provide. Should the upgrade only make cons a better chump unit for capping and recrewing weapons? Then they should probably reinforce faster but not have such a cover bonus. Should they become a very effective squad in green cover but remain shit outside? Then they should retain the cover bonus and beat other baseline squads in cost effectiveness when in cover.

Jump back to quoted post26 Apr 2019, 12:47 PMKirrik

I think 6 Guard mosins (without other bonuses) should be added as alternative upgrade in commander mod, at very least it's worth testing it to see how it performs compared to 7 man/cover bonuses/mp decrease/shared vet.

Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2019, 12:00 PMCrecer13

These 7-man squad and increased damage in cover does not correspond to the general concept of the Soviets - the attack.
For Osttruppen this bonus is appropriate - because the Wehrmacht a defense faction: Osttruppen can build trenches that protect better than sandbags, plus a reinforcement and healing bunker, plus one of the best machine guns.
For Britain, this bonus is appropriate - it is a defense faction.
But not for the Soviets, conscripts with such a bonus have no synergy: Maxim has poor suppression, no machine gun nest, no defensive structures.
Soviets - attack, but in the attack 7 people with a defensive bonus are bad: several units interfere with each other in their cover.

Jump back to quoted post27 Apr 2019, 14:44 PMBizrock

First of all, general concept of soviets isn't attack, where did you get this idea?
Second, Mobile doesn't mean offensive and static doesn't mean defensive. Assault grenadiers is a high mobile unit and it have great defensive power, it can defend your MGs and mortars of being flanked or rushed very effective, would you better rush vs an MG + Grenadier or a MG + Assault grenadier? Same goes with the fact that Guards are static, but very offensive, Mortars are static, but an ofensive tool.
Conscripts have no synergy with cover? What did you mean by that? unique heavy sandbags/triwire mines/molotovs/merge/PTRS, ourah is a good ability to get in cover faster before model drops, it isn't an assault ability since while being at oorah they can't fire.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 20:53 PMmurky depths

M-42 gets double nerfed =(

I'd rather it get the JLI treatment where it's performance is left alone but cost and spammability are addressed.

Oh well, RIP the dream.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 21:02 PMCrecer13

I would prefer to leave the case-shot at 50 meters, but to make it use ammunition, it will not make it excessively strong but leave it unique and useful.

Version 7.0 changes

Soviets - General faction changes

Conscripts
7 man Cons were too potent, previously beating upgraded Grens at all ranges, especially in cover duels.
- Cover bonus to cooldown and reload from 50% to 30%.
- New DPS at ranges 0/10/20/30/35: 3.91/2.87/2.21/1.54/1.22

M1910 Maxim
In order to increase the general viability of Maxims, without promoting Maxim spam, we are increasing suppression when using the Sustained Fire ability. The following change is intended to allow the Maxim to better suppress tactical control groups when the player is spotting for their Maxim and using the Sustained Fire ability in a strategic fashion.
- Sustained Fire ability now increases suppression by 15%. This will be adjusted as necessary.

M-42 Anti-Tank Gun
Given the recent updates to the M-42, we have adjusted its costs to better reflect its current performance.
- Cost from 200 to 240
- Reverted boost to first-strike bonus.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 21:49 PMKatitof

first strike removal

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 21:49 PMKatitof

I've got the feeling that cost increase will simply kill M-42 again.
Why wasn't canister shot reload increased?
Range nerf, first strike removal and now cost increase are complete deal breakers on the unit and frankly, I no longer see a reason to pick it over ZiS-3 in any situation anymore, performance difference between the two is too great to justify that cost.

Jump back to quoted post30 Apr 2019, 22:02 PMSander93

First Strike bonus from camouflage was not removed.

In 6.0 its duration was increased from 1 to 2 shots.
Now it's been decreased back to 1 shot again.