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Yeah no, we dont want to return to super okw anymore...still remember those dark days....
Penals are 300 mp dedicated anti infantry units...
Strum pioneers are 300 mp close range combat engineers...
Yea, I think the former -should- win.
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@ hitman
"We" specifically the coh2 community at large to include top 100 rqnking players who suggested by relics request several nerfs to the okw because its absurd overperformace when the faction was conceived.
Thus why its current state, after of course its removal of the cancer shreck will finally be fix and introduce as a fair balance faction in the game.
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If you wanted balance schrek would be given to other unit like panzerfusiliers or even obersoldaten.
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If you wanted balance schrek would be given to other unit like panzerfusiliers or even obersoldaten.
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Penals are overbuffed. They can almost 1v1 Sturmpio close range. I think OKW still needs a schrek, probably panzerfusilier or Obers.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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No reason why Sturms should lose in close range.
Penals are overbuffed. They can almost 1v1 Sturmpio close range. I think OKW still needs a schrek, probably panzerfusilier or Obers.
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Who is 'we'?
No reason why Sturms should lose in close range.
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Initially, disappointed in the .50 cal. It is not a soft counter to (e.g., it barely damages) the Luchs or Puma... at all. It's performance with AP rounds is pitiful compared to the Vet 1 MG42 ability, which can smoke a Luchs pretty easily.mmmhh the luch is a light tank and has more armor it the puma ? Really? It has 20 frontal armor and 12 rear the cal 50 outright destroy it and it still shreds the flack half truck
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Strum are engineer not dedicated ai and yes penal are close range unit
but yea the flame + spph are too strong of an upgrade that's 4 weapon remove phhs or make them get 2-1
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Ppsh is what makes the package balanced really.
Flamer have longer effective range then ppsh, if there were no ppsh, it would be easier to smoke out of cover and gun down infantry(lesson from elite rifle learned here).
Moreover, penals are squishy squad, so going for the upgrade isn't really a no-brainer and is purely situational choice, its often better to not buy the package to utilize long range potential, which is completely lost with package.
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Strum are engineer not dedicated ai and yes penal are close range unit
but yea the flame + spph are too strong of an upgrade that's 4 weapon remove phhs or make them get 2-1
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it would be easier
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Long range DPS from 4 to 8.
Done, unit fixed.
Nothing more is needed, no big changes, no new abilities, no vet changes.
Just this simple change gives them new utility without impacting their intended role of mid range squad.
Basically makes them Rifles who don't scale as well, but work in contrast of soviet army.
Ppsh is what makes the package balanced really.
Flamer have longer effective range then ppsh, if there were no ppsh, it would be easier to smoke out of cover and gun down infantry(lesson from elite rifle learned here).
Moreover, penals are squishy squad, so going for the upgrade isn't really a no-brainer and is purely situational choice, its often better to not buy the package to utilize long range potential, which is completely lost with package.
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Balance Preview Mod
SU-85
Strategic Diversity
Developer Comments: We saw that the Soviets had to rely on Doctrines or would have a difficult time dealing with heavy armored vehicles. We wanted slightly improve the SU-85 to be stronger against heavy armored vehicles while being slightly weaker against flanking vehicles.
• Accuracy from 0.05/0.0375/0.25 to 0.055/0.045/0.04
• Penetration from 200/190/180 to 240/230/220
• Reload increased from 3.8/4.2 to 5.4.
• Target size reduced from 22 to 18
• Rotation rate from 20 to 22
• Cost increases from 340 manpower and 120 fuel to 350 manpower and 130 fuel.
• Veterancy two -30% reload modifier replaced with +30% weapon penetration modifier.
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