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i doubt if two expeirenced players were up against eachother in a 1v1 that buying just maxims would event remotely work.
main infantry, mg teams, and mortars are basically rock, paper and scissors. If you have lots of rocks and the other person brings lots of paper thats going to be how it goes. bring scissors.
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A 4 man team like the MG42 is very threatened by mortar fire, and if it keeps firing in the same spot is placing itself at risk of squadwipe from 1 lucky shell. In my opinion, this is appropriate. However, a Maxim team knows that it can take 1-2 mortar shots and keep fighting, and so isn't threatened in the same way. Similarly with snipers: a Maxim team can simply ignore a sniper for as long as it takes to win a single engagement (spotting for the sniper usually requires you to send a unit into the Maxim's range).
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Just got out of a 1v1, faced a player who built a total of 20 MAXIMS, that's right a grand total of TWENTY DAMN MAXIMS!
It didn't relieve him of capping power, didn't even really stop him from being overall committed to and nearly winning the fight.
Nearly...
I still overcame him with the aid of a stuka, several brave Pumas, and a FlaK-Track. Some handy Sturmpioneer flanking micro, and of course the Jaeger Light Infantry and Volksgrenadiers to deal with his vehicles.
I even had to self destruct a medical HQ to so severely damage his SU-85 that I could finally take it out!
Now of course you ask "Why is this in the balance section, why are you telling us your life story?"
I will answer this, because there is clearly something broken in the game, where a Soviet player can mindlessly spam maxims and nearly win the game by a hair, especially if that Soviet player builds TWENTY MAXIMS in a single game.
It was only after I had killed off the last of his maxims on the map in a maxim double-kill that he was finally demoralized enough to quit playing.
But then, and only then, after much frustration and grief, and lack of fun could I finally overcome this tedious bastard.
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Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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How come there is maxim spam but no MG42 spam
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Because you have Gren's.
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Whats broken in this game is that there are people who produce 20 Maxims. I mean, wtf? This is not C&C, this is COH2. I know that it is a win button (or something like that) but common, how old is that guy? Or how childish? Or how stupid? I dont get it, where is the fun in making 20 Maxims?
I guess people will try everything to get a win. So LOW!!!!
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Hello,
I didn´t read all the pages, but if Maxim or MG spam is that annoying why not turn down the capping rate of all MGs. This slows down the progress of MG only users and gives you more time to set up the appropriate counter before losing the whole map. Just a thought.
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Against OKW the only alternative are snipers.
Which one do you prefer to be spammed with?
There are no other valid options with how weak soviet core infantry is and how it (doesn't) scale into late game.
Lets sum up something.
So far we have:
Snipers-cheeze
M3-cheeze
Shocks-cheeze
Guards-cheeze
Maxims-cheeze
So what do we have here?
A conclusion that axis wants to fight only against conscipts, penals and partisans.
Why?
Because they are horrible and you can a-move over them.
Guess, what, if everything is so cheezy and tough and inconvenient, then perhaps the problem doesn't like in balance exclusively?
Inconvenient units doesn't equal to overpowered.
By the logic of this thread, allied players should spam the shit out of forums with nerf threads on all OKW infantry except volks and on wehr weapon upgrades(and I suppose stormtroopers now, because pgren squad with sniper camo was a good idea).
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I don't think so. While grens are good and better than Sov core inf, they're not the reason MG42s aren't being spammed. It's because of higher se-up times, lower damage and molotovs. These things make it impossible to do a Jellydonut/Vonivan 8-maxim strat.
I think it's good the MG42 can't be spammed. I just wish the Maxim couldn't either. Not because it's "OP", just because it's viable and makes the game goddamn boring!
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Dear Sierra,
I likewise find the Maxim spam really cheesy, annoying and against the spirit of coh.
However as long the soviets don't have viable core units, they have to rely on Maxim Spam & Sniper spam.
When the core infantry issue is fixed, Relic will surely adapt maxims and snipers so they are only to be used as a supporter role.
In general I have the impression quite a few changes are ahead of us...binding call ins to teching and slowly tweaking core units of every faction (this patch, probably next patch too).
Relic stated this year they have a 5 year plan for coh2 and with the soon to come ESL ladders they surely want to have a polished, uncheesy game.
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