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OKW was megabuffed this patch. If you knew how to play the faction, one look in the patch notes would have been enough.
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I know as I said before I don't complain about balance, I just think that they could add new units without breaking it.
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Some people should understand this....
Less then 5% deviation from 50% means faction -IS- balanced.
Its really not.
Its exactly how healthy balance should look like(except for underperforming brits).
Did all you people pretended to be sick or run from school when statistical analysis was being served on lectures?
Differences between 4 of 5 factions are within error margin, given obviously not all players have equal skill.
You'll never see perfect 50% in a game with less then 7 digit population and anyone who knows a single shit about statistics will tell you that that 5% deviation is perfectly fine balance.
If you don't believe me, get a coin and start tossing it.
Tell me what results you've got fter 20 tosses and then after 200.
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Adding new units has nothing to do with balance, they don't have the mod tools needed to import models into the game and Relic prohibits new units due to needing specific voice lines to keep up with the game's "fidelity". Even Raid Sections are just re-used pyrotechnics sections.
Your other ideas for 251 and engineers are either OP and redundant (251) or impossible/weird (engineers). New officer is also a bad idea since it'd be the exact same as sturm offizier and just confuse people for no reason.
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Should be obvious that's a no go. There's not a single heavy tank commander that also has an offmap that is powerful enough to kill howitzers or defensive positions, for a good reason.
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Since the commander upgrade in Elite Armor is okay, could you please add it to the Puma and JP4?
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It is, eh? Interesting, could have really done with that knowledge last game vs the Soviet conscript and weapons team tide. Very good to know.What exactly about the slower projectile makes it so lethal? People really walk into the new shell? I tried it out but came under the impression that it was still very easily dodged (even if it doesn't collide with a twig anymore). Maybe I'm missing something....
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Since you're lecturing people on statistics, please answer a couple of dumb questions for me.
What type of data is win/loss?
What is the difference between error margin, margin of error
statistical significance?
How would you calculate a standard of deviation for wins and losses? Why would you want to calculate something like that?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Are you asking for a definition or why win ratio data for top 200, the data based on skilled use of units by people with knowledge and ability to use then properly is more important then data based on ullumulus, thekingsowns and vipper masses?
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
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You do realize that Vipper is rank ~100 in some factions ?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Thanks for heads up, I've switched him out to get the point across without any doubt or nitpicking.
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
I don't play this version of EZ mode very often because it's so boringly simple. But it is funny to see the Axis circle jerk with people complaining that the one faction with every crutch in the book is some how underpowered lol.
The idea that the Jackson needed ANY nerfing is so laughable. It only serves ONE task, how dare it be good at that. If it were a good against infantry like the Panther, King Tiger, Panzer IV, Jagtiger, Elefant, I could see how it might be a problem and need a nerf but it's not
Haha the votes on this alone show the euro synphatheizers feel they just deserve to win. Anytime an okw nerf is brought up. Brain dead faction that skilless people can play and i refuse to play because of it.
u deserve to lose if u don't have an Ele when there's an ISU.
Just stay out of topics u have no knowledge of, Latch.
Ranked, I only play USF. Wouldn't be caught dead playing Nazis with some sort of record being taken
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you, and wouldn't be surprised to be hit again, but I'm fed up with this bullshit and honestly, the sole fact that I'm not permad is what keeps me here having discussions about the game I like and yes, I do question myself why I still go back here to this free range insane asylum so often.
I've talked with mods enough times, I know when I'm going overboard, I usually limit myself, but there is only so much tolerance I have for entitled, ignorant fucks like you
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Its just raw data. You don't need to dig too deep here.
Semantical.
Are you asking for a definition or why win ratio data for top 200, the data based on skilled use of units by people with knowledge and ability to use then properly is more important then data based on ullumulus, thekingsowns and mr.matrix300 masses?
I wouldn't, you can't quantify skill of players and that alone creates unmeasurable deviation.
You can't use bell curve, because its irrelevant how mid level players play, they can't use units to full potential, hence we go for top 200 and even there, difference between top 200 and top 20 is too massive to measure properly, hence standard 5% deviation would be used.
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It became more reliable.
For example I played vs OKW 2v2, owned dude whole game, but ST stalled it a lot. If you can't listen to its engine noise every second of the game, it becomes very problematic, especially vs HMG. It just kills it faster then you are able to retreat it.
Elpern with Kpen are now spamming the doctrine and Elpern came to a conclusion that it is definitely overperforming with current timing, price and performance. Jibber also wasn't happy with new ST, when he played vs it.
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Posts: 167
OKW in history get non doctrinal MG32, PzIV and KT. All important have in stock.
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I will take the brummber over KT and, mg42 over mg34 and sniper over P4 ausf, the conclusion OKW stock is as good as other factions stock and each faction stock has its uniqueness for example OKW don't has Missing roles in their stock like snipers which is missing in commanders too) and transport LV, while Ostheer and Soviets have everything in their roster and I am not complaining about that,but I said it to explain that your point is not valid .
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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JLI is the sniper of OKW, just like pathfinders are snipers for US.
OKW has all critical units it needs, what you're seem to be asking for her is ostheer but with different icon now.
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No they are not snipers, they are similar but couldn't be considered snipers, and my point is that OKW stock is not better than other factions stock , so arguing if JLI are snipers or not doesn't help in that regard.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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No, they are not mechanically, but they are closest okw and usf will ever get to vanila one, but they serve the same role, taking down entities with high health with one shot.
OKW stock is NOT MEANT to be better then other factions stock.
OKW has what others don't and OKW lacks what others don't - that is how asymmetrical balance works.
You want to play ostheer, but you don't want to switch to ostheer, you want to mold okw into ostheer and that isn't going to happen, so you might want to just play ostheer if you want to play ostheer so badly.
I don't even know why this thread is still going as it was already well established you have no valid balance reason what so ever to give anything else to OKW and just want to give them things for the sake of giving them things.
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