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Vichi French could have Syrian soldiers too, I think adding Vichi and Free French with campaigns in French and Syria will be very cool, and no other game covered that. |
We both know that's not what I've said.
Moreover, if you don't understand arty flares change and why it happened like that, that's a testament to you being completely clueless on balance itself, I am not wondering anymore why you deny balance so adamantly, you completely have no slightest idea why things are as they are or why are they being changed or moves around, which you have, without any doubt, proven in that very post here.
They removed it because it was unbalanced, u said that many doctrine lost abilities because they were unbalanced and they had to add new units and abilities instead of them so why this doesn't apply for OKW too ? do you even see what you are typing? we have the right to ask the balance team for that, and they are the ones who should decide whereas this is possible or not, and please stop talking in behalf of them. |
And we've run a full circle here again.
They are NOT adding new things to add new things.
Each added new thing served a specific balance purpose, in last patch it was primarily to patch up holes left by removal of too weak or too strong abilities from the doctrines.
If you just want more things, play with mods.
So you say the only way to balance all the other factions was by adding this new units? and you talked such that they didn't remove abilities from OKW doctrine like the artillery flare? |
balance is important, because playing against OP stuff is the opposite of fun. One thing you are losing because you are worse then your opponent/made mistakes the other thing is playing again and again with disadvantage, because something is overperforming. And believe me, if something is OP it will be spammed to death.
No one said the opposite of this, we want them to try adding new things and if they turned out to be op they could be tuned or removed they already did that for example Raid section was so op then they tuned them down, now in the next patch if ever happened what is the problem to try the same thing with OKW AND USF ? |
What else that could have been done for OKW was merging of the Pak 43 and LefH 18 to give the goliath commander a Pak 43 as well which would have made it just a bit more useful.
I haven't really used it after they nerfed the Overwatch and then Jaegers and I wouldn't really consider the Pak 43 as something that would be overpowered considering that there are many abilities that can simply nuke it.
Then that would have made space for hull down which depending on the BaLanCe the King Tiger wouldn't have it or something like that maybe.
Anyway as far as the USF goes like I said, Calliope getting it's main gun enabled, Sherman Jumbo, Weapons carrier halftrack or some other type of vehicle, Recon squad with marksman or an upgrade for riflemen and so forth.
Lots of ideas and possibilities but sadly people are just not willing to at least try out these ideas let alone implement them anywhere officially, same with a Sturmtiger which is still a meme unit and could have been made into a self-propelled artillery piece to balance out the removal of the counter battery for the LefH.
Yes, there was many ideas as you and others said, some people don't understand why we demand this because they forgot what fun means and want to convince themselves that it is impossible to balance new units and abilities which is totally wrong and if it turned out to be unbalanced they could easily remove them before balance patch go live. |
1. Fortifications could have received the hull down which fits thematically.
Would have been interesting with the new mechanic of tanks being able to self-hull down altho people would probably complains about the King Tiger having it.
Otherwise I suggested Osttruppen for OKW to replicate the personnel manning the Atlantic Wall but sadly that would require new voices and so forth, pretty much the reason why most new units are not added.
2. As I explained above, sadly it's due to a lack of assets such as voices.
3. There are also unused voice lines for the StuG III for the OKW, could have maybe fit in a lackluster (now) commander like Special Operations probably.
4. The USF could have probably gotten a new Sherman Jumbo, Calliope with a functional gun, a Halftrack/some sort of other vehicle that could drop down weapons similar to the UKF Special Weapons carrier M3 halftrack, a marksman ability for some sort of recon upgrade or something for riflemen and so on and so forth. Also Urban Assault Panzergrenadiers for again lackluster Ostheer commanders, and yes there are ways to make them not be OP but nobody seems to want to admit that which could have meant removing 1 or 2 of the flamethrowers, the armor, etc...
Just because the unit was designed to be OP in an unreleased commander for some reason doesn't mean that a simple effort cannot be made to bring it in line with the rest of the units but again some people are acting like that's just impossible.
Basically AsYmeTricAL BaLancE > new content because reasons in the mind of some people while there was a perfectly good way to introduce new content that's not UP or OP.
Instead like always units are buffed or nerfed beyond all measure which end up in the B4/Osttruppen situation which many people are complaining about.
I agree with many points you said and finally someone talked about the subject of this post, the thing is that they already break some of their rules and introduced new units for all factions except for OKW and USF and there was a great opportunity for that after removing artillery flare and merging heavy fortification with field defences, I don't know much about USF but I guess there was a possibility to add new units too. |
Oh really?
Your point no1 - you want pioneers, but pretend you don't.
Your point no2 - you want another ost unit
Your point no3 - you want another ost unit, but with non existing specifications
Your point no4 - you don't even know what you want, but since no new units can be made, that means you want more ost units for okw.
You even used USF as a smoke screen despite the fact they don't need anything at all, hence you didn't even attempted to suggest anything.
Just in case you already forgot what you've written in the OP, as apparently you did.
point 1: having new engineer unit was just a suggestion and they should not be a pioneer clone for example usf and British have many engineer variants so I don't see your point here.
point 2: It doesn't need an explanation totally new Officer unit has no thing to do with Ostheer
point 3: Those are missing assets for OKW, thats why I said them as. a suggestion and that was said before.
point 4: this point was made for people who know how to discuss and speak respectfully not meant for u.
I really don't want to waste any more time answering u master degree guy. |
No, they are not mechanically, but they are closest okw and usf will ever get to vanila one, but they serve the same role, taking down entities with high health with one shot.
OKW stock is NOT MEANT to be better then other factions stock.
OKW has what others don't and OKW lacks what others don't - that is how asymmetrical balance works.
You want to play ostheer, but you don't want to switch to ostheer, you want to mold okw into ostheer and that isn't going to happen, so you might want to just play ostheer if you want to play ostheer so badly.
I don't even know why this thread is still going as it was already well established you have no valid balance reason what so ever to give anything else to OKW and just want to give them things for the sake of giving them things.
You keep talking nonsense , I never complained about anything u said, obviously you have some problems in understanding what others write and only see what you want to see, and thanks to god it is not your choice to close threads for a very good reason, now finally if u don't like the thread you are free to leave it no one will miss u believe me. |
JLI is the sniper of OKW, just like pathfinders are snipers for US.
OKW has all critical units it needs, what you're seem to be asking for her is ostheer but with different icon now.
No they are not snipers, they are similar but couldn't be considered snipers, and my point is that OKW stock is not better than other factions stock , so arguing if JLI are snipers or not doesn't help in that regard. |
OKW in history get non doctrinal MG32, PzIV and KT. All important have in stock.
I will take the brummber over KT and, mg42 over mg34 and sniper over P4 ausf, the conclusion OKW stock is as good as other factions stock and each faction stock has its uniqueness for example OKW has Missing roles in their stock like snipers which is missing in commanders too) and transport LV, while Ostheer and Soviets have everything in their roster and I am not complaining about that,but I said it to explain that your point is not valid . |
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