Can we please address OKW arty flares in new patch

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 14:42 PMHannibal

Really? No one?

Alright, then I'll do it:
*clears throat*
Brits have almost exactly the same ability REEEEEE!


Having said that, I agree. All these abilities should go. No offmaps, all can be put on main line infantry similar to Panzerfusiliers.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 19:51 PMAlphrum

oh my lord, how can someone think spec ops flares is OP and not the UKF one, srsly what the hell, they both need to be removed.

JibberJabberJobber and elchino7, have a really good solution though!

Right now, flares provide uncounterable vision, which is very powerful.

I propose that instead of the flares sighting units themselves, they grant a sight range bonus to all units in the flare’s radius.

This way, flares will no longer be able to grant uncounterable vision on back lines, while still providing bonus sight.

Artillery Flares (Special Operations)
Due to the uncounterable nature of the artillery flares, the ability is being overhauled completely. Instead, it will now give a vision bonus to units which should be very useful when fighting in a particular area.

No longer gives vision on its own

Flares are now a visual indicator only (that the ability is being used)

Now gives every (player owned) unit within proximity of the ability +50% sight range for the duration of the ability

Ability is now activated by designating a particular resource sector. Ability is extended to all adjacent territory sectors

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 22:06 PMKiwiBirb

Here is my original suggestion:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/97674/flare-rework-proposal


And Sander93 has suggested adding a version of this rework to the game:
https://www.coh2.org/topic/106030/sander-s-personal-balance-changes



So as you can see, things are being done

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 14:10 PMgbem

i kinda hate how the OKW recon flare is the only recon ability without a catch to it... other recon abilities can be shot down or need another unit (a mortar or a sniper) in close proximity... the OKW flare is basically recon without any drawback to it...

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2020, 16:23 PMVipper

So what people think about the stock reckon planes of USF and USF that can be called from enemy base and provide vision before being shot down?

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2020, 16:45 PMA table

That is specifically the key difference here. AA can bring down planes and thus shorten the time that the planes provide recon(obviously requiring an resource investment but key sentence is ''being able to be countered'').

Flares have no way to be countered other than holding all munition points on the map which is ridiculous in comparison to planes or sight extenders like the SU-85 has. I don't remember how long arty flares last but it is usually enough for artillery to fire with clear vision.

These flare abilities need to be restricted in use or outright replaced with abilities that can be countered, like recon planes or sight extenders. The mods have made decent suggestions, making spec ops doctrine open to changes aswell which is welcome.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2020, 16:50 PMVipper

There is another key difference here. These reckon planes are stock and do not take up a commander slot.

As for being countered usually they provide enough vision to call in an off map even outside enemy base thus they also have little counter in that role.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2020, 17:19 PMthedarkarmadillo

not sure what you are arguing here exactly. all factions have shit others dont have stock. one could argue that ost has to use a commander slot to get heavy armour or a td with more than 50 range, or brits and usf need a commander slot for rocket arty. having something another faction doesnt have stock access to is miles away from an ability that quite literally has no counter nor required effort. flares are fine when tied to a unit as they require something to get into range. flares that you can click anywhere is not ok.

whats more, all plane recon alerts the enemy they are being reconed which itself allows counterplay in moving (if possible) where flares do not. this again is offset on units that need to get in range but okw flares have none of the mitigating factors that makes flares "ok" its all boons and no drawbacks or counterplay which in lies the rub.

Jump back to quoted post26 Nov 2020, 17:21 PMJibberJabberJobber

Stick the ability to all tanks, but with a global cooldown and slighlty lower 50 muni cost. Done.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2020, 16:50 PMVipper

There is another key difference here. These reckon planes are stock and do not take up a commander slot.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2020, 20:20 PMKatitof

Nor do they work or last like actual doctrinal recon planes or OPW flares.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2020, 20:22 PMVipper

How the work is not important the important thing is they allow to combine them with off map and bomb the enemy out side his base the same way flare allow the same.

Jump back to quoted post27 Nov 2020, 20:23 PMKatitof

Combined arms OP, pls nerf lelik.