Profile of JHeartless

I dont see a problem with this idea personally if the spotter fires too, doesnt snipe, and breaks stealth.

because german T4 is almost completely unattainable in 1v1...

You mistake me for someone who has 15x more 1v1 Ranked games than 2v2.

The OP mainly plays team games supposedly. Hard to attain in 1v1 hardly makes the units less powerful. Period.

@snekasan

If you are using an ISU152 in 1v1 please dont tell me that you cant get a Panther in that time because thats just a troll move. 290 fuel 11CPs? Yeahhh you got stomped son.

IS2 is 10 CPs too so I think your arguement is based on last patch. The only thing that MAY come before Panthers now are T34/85s. MAYBE.

I understand your frustration. I too quit playing for awhile after facing the Tiger Ace about 30 times in 1v1 and losing 30 times.

Now I am back thanks largely to this patch.

most of the time thats not the end of the world.
it gives the germans 2-3 minutes of dominance just like i dominated 2-3 minutes before with the penals in the m3.

after thet a t70 or a t34 rolls out wich turns the tide again.

then the p4 arrives and the osther again has the upper hand.

at the end of the day it all comes down who is the better player.
i dont think that penals are overperforming or as good as cons with ppsh, shocktroops or guards.

but: if you choose a doctrin that dont has any of these. they are a very viable choice the way they are now.

most times i use the doctrine with radio intercep +crew repais+ 2* t34 85+ is2 + stafe.
all of them very powerfull abilities but the doctrine lacks the fancy infantrie stuff.

2 penal units give me what i need in terms of infantry fighting power in this case.
looking at the game stats after the game my penals most of the time have dealt more than 1.5 times the infantry damage that my conscrips have inflicted. and that is while i had mostly a 3/2 ratio of conscrips running around. that would be 2.25 more damage for less then 1.5 times the price because of merge.

Merge makes them just reinforce for about the same cost as Grens.

I take issue to that. G43 Grens will mow them down and do it for less upkeep (this is important in my eyes and left out of most discussions) and less initial cost while about the same reinforcement cost on a faction that really doesn't bleed that much manpower.

I find this particularly hypocritical when it comes to balance. PPSH scripts are balanced or nerfed based on whether they can beat AI pgrens (360MP) yet its perfectly OK that G43 Grens beat 360 MP Penals (not to mention what Pgrens can do to them)

I use Penals successfully all the time. But this is DESPITE their weakness and costing far too much for their performance.

I would hardly think they are fine at 360 MP. If they are going to perform worse than 240 MP Generalist unit with a 60MP upgrade that all the while has faust.

When you put them in this perspective you see how terribly over priced they are in their current state.

The only advantage they have is they are WAY better than scripts...thats like balancing Grens at a UP level because they are better than Ostruppen.

hm well, like said before: I think t4 got it's reasonable place - summed up: if you don't want to spam Tigers and pIVs.

It's 40f + 50mp more than a Tiger for 3 useful units. Also, 3 useful units against 1 useful unit in t3 (pIV), as StuGs are considered trash and Ostwind is overpriced.

Yeah the poor Ostwind got hit hard by the massive moving accuracy scatter nerf. Its hardly worth it.

I personally love the STUG myself. Cheap and effective but not attack move friendly. Its better AT for more fuel than an SU76 but no barrage.

T4 is king of the team games. I dont understand why some forum folks seem to think its not super powerful.

Because in 2v2 the only time i ever see a P4 is if someone has Elite forces and vets the crap out of one.

Maybe replace oorah at vet 2 with AT grenade?

Perhaps the RPG-6 instead of the RPG 40 or 43. And it just does some damage instead of a crit?

Next to lowering their cost I think give them AT ability is the second most popular.

I would prefer them to be the inverse of Pgrens myself as a role.

Really good AI then a 120 Muni upgrade that makes them beyond Pgren level DPS. I think that would be a good change.

That way they become beast mode, eat muni (a gripe Soviets always have tons of muni for mines) and make sense in an AI building.

Keeping to the Soviet trend of AI while Ost still gets to have the best AT.